privacy rights vs. truth in justice

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    The Lurker Below said:

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    Resolved: In the United States criminal justice system, truth-seeking ought to take precedence over attorney-client privilege.

    Do you know of places where this is current policy? How's that working out?
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    Kadagar_AV said:

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    Most dictatorships goes with rules like that.

    Too bad it's so damn hard to get a hold of people living in dictatorships, so we could ask them how it is.

    Uhu?
     
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    Seamus Fermanagh said:

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    Removal of said privilege is a bad idea, I concur with KadAV.
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    Kralizec said:

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    So, what happened?
     
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    Kadagar_AV said:

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    ICantSpellDawg, dude!!

    You thank the one referring to my post, but not me?

    Uncool bro, uncool...
     
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    Seamus Fermanagh said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    ICantSpellDawg, dude!!

    You thank the one referring to my post, but not me?

    Uncool bro, uncool...
    Unless he has you toggled to "ignore," in which case he never saw it.
    Last edited by Seamus Fermanagh; 12-05-2013 at 18:45.
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    The Lurker Below said:

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    I've been wondering how a kid is supposed to debate the affirmative on this topic. It's going to be a hard sell.
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    The Stranger said:

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    just go for the good ol' if your innocent you've got nothing to hide XD

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    Beskar said:

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    If you are a truthful and honest person, you have nothing to hide. However, there are activities which privacy should respect because it is not for other people to know. It is not because these activities are wrong, it is because we have a culture of personal-space and self-respect, to encroach on these are going against the fabric of society as we would like it to be.
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    Seamus Fermanagh said:

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    The old political joke in the USA is that:

    Dem's are emphatic about keeping the right to keep their bedroom window blinds open -- while the rest of us would rather they kept things private, whereas GOP'ers are fanatical about keeping the window blinds shut -- while concealing nothing of interest.
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    Kadagar_AV said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    The old political joke in the USA is that:

    Dem's are emphatic about keeping the right to keep their bedroom window blinds open -- while the rest of us would rather they kept things private, whereas GOP'ers are fanatical about keeping the window blinds shut -- while concealing nothing of interest.
    The problem with USAnian political jokes is that they get elected.
     
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    Visor said:

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    Definitely agree Kad and Seamus here.

    I also disagree with the saying a truthful and honest person has nothing to hide. There are things that don't need to be in the public domain, that aren't criminal.
     
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    Husar said:

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    Is it okay if everybody knows your sexual preferences in detail and your entire list of currennt and previous medical problems?

    And would you really want to know all that about everyone around you?

    In some societies this may already be the case but western societies are not ready for this, the rates of childbirth would drop even lower and the makeup industry may become superfluous and go bankrupt.


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    The Lurker Below said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    The problem with USAnian political jokes is that they get elected.
    BAZINGA!
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    Gregoshi said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    The problem with USAnian political jokes is that they get elected.
    There is a fine line between comedy and tragedy.
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    Seamus Fermanagh said:

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    In a tragedy, the grandmother rolling towards a cliff on her wheelchair is saved in the nick of time from her fate.

    In comedy she goes straight over.



    I think the metaphor is reasonably apt regarding US politics. We are definitely a comedy.
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