He's definitely different in the sense that he's the only US politician who I wouldn't be surprised to see sprouting some sovereign citizen nonsense. And that's quite relevant.Originally Posted by Fisherking
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He's definitely different in the sense that he's the only US politician who I wouldn't be surprised to see sprouting some sovereign citizen nonsense. And that's quite relevant.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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It beats politicians going along with the Military-Industrial Complex or any other complex where the money trumps the populous.
Whether you favor collective rights or individual rights a power structure at the beck-and -call of moneyed interests does not serve the people or the national will.
Hamstringing the NSA also neuters their technological providers or contract corporations. That government money goes elsewhere.
The same with the War on Drugs or any other government programs. Follow the Money.
It is just a corporate oligarchy with representatives bought by them.
It is also happening to the EU.
If you are happy with that kind of government just because the say what you want to hear, who is the nut case?
Education: that which reveals to the wise,
and conceals from the stupid,
the vast limits of their knowledge.
Mark Twain
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It's a matter of degree. There is some truth to what he said, but it's taken far into loonieland. And use of the term "Military-Industrial Complex" is usually a tell-tale sign that someone has crossed that boundary.
Corporations do act without morals and screw over people from time to time. But to say that corporations have no morals at all, that all they do is screw over people, that's taking things too far. Same with politicians. I'm sure some go into politics to enrich themselves. But at least as many do so for idealistic purposes.
And sorry - the Sovereign Citizen movement is the height of ignorance. Anything beats being one of those loonies.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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I dont have the lifeforce in me to fully read all of the above, but, the M.I.C. is not a figment of a tinfoil-hat conspiracists imagination, it is a real entity, Dwight Eisenhower warns of its dangers in his farewell speech.
In fact, at the closing stages of WWII, U.S. commercial magnates where of the opinion, initially, that investment in the weapons industry would be folly.
Then, I guess someone showed them the numbers...
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
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Most conspiracy theories are based on some real entity. The Illuminati is a real thing, for example. The problem is when the nutjobs convert the Illuminati from a late 18th century political club lasting around a decade into a millennia old organization hell-bent on world domination.
The same is true for the "Military-Industrial Complex".
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Not every politicians is totally corrupt and not every corporation is evil incarnate. I am dealing in generalities of course. But it is the general situation that is the problem.
In the vote to defund the NSA the vote drew a line. Left and Right were on both sides of the issue.
Those opposed were those getting the money from defense contracts etc. Those opposed were not. That makes it pretty clear. At least for that majority they were willing to put aside public options and legal concerns for the money.
The American Media is also to blame. Their corporate interests or their personal views color the output. No one will criticize or investigate in anything resembling objectivity. Without an independent media there is little way to shine the light on corruption.
It is a bit interesting that you have such a great fear of such a tiny minority group. I rather doubt you know much about them. You and the FBI on the same side. LOL
Of course you seem to be on the conservative side of this argument while I am on the left.
Are you turning conservative on other issues as well? Where is your revolutionary zeal?
Education: that which reveals to the wise,
and conceals from the stupid,
the vast limits of their knowledge.
Mark Twain
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[QUOTE=Fisherking;2053570947]I am dealing in generalities of course. But it is the general situation that is the problem.
I'm not saying it's all sunshine and roses. I'm simply saying the world isn't about to implode. The view I got from the rant you linked was that the world is going to implode soon.
I see no need for objectivity, and I question its very existence.
"Fear" is the wrong word. I take an interest in all whackjob groups from Christian Identity to Eurabia to Sovereign citizens. As of now, my two current favourites are nazi christian fundamentalists going through all kinds of logical twists to explain away Jesus being a Jew, and the sovereign citizens. Mostly because of the holier-than-thou attitude they got from spending countless hours reading legal documents they don't understand a word of.
I like market capitalism. I also like the state wielding a great big club to thump the market capitalism whenever it gets out of control.
I'm also a reformer, not a revolutionary. The switch was made back in the 20's, get with the program.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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The trouble is that it is not market capitalism. The State Stick is very selective to whack only the competitors of the money providers. I call that out of control, by government and the interests behind them.
Government interference and monitoring is only there because they can. They have the technology. It is expensive and they are spending loads of money on it.
You don’t have to look very far to find that they are not only monitoring everyone but stealing plans and technologies from foreign firms and giving it to selected US firms. And these firms are not from enemies but supposed allies. Government spying to increase corporate profits.
It is blatantly illegal at every level yet government contends that it is justified. Turning the public into the enemy.
Officials won’t stop it because it means they lose campaign money.
That may be your dream state but few others would find that appealing.
Perhaps you find all of this too near conspiracy theory, but then again your knowledge of the US government is very limited and you don’t know the possible scope of abuse.
Reform is what is wanted and needed!
Education: that which reveals to the wise,
and conceals from the stupid,
the vast limits of their knowledge.
Mark Twain
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Indeed I do, but....
...this sentence tells me that further discussion is pointless.
Call me when you turn it into a full jew-fest.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Oh, and it turns out Ron Paul associates with crackpots.
I am not surprised.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Not sure how it happens in Norway, but on this side of the pond, the Ron Pauls and others on the fringe do NOT get much in the way of power. What they get is the chance to voice their concerns and maybe....but only maybe....have one of their issues taken up by the more mainstream candidates.
Our fruit bat fringe, in this modern era of 24-hour unrelenting need something to grab their attention internet media electronic feeding frenzy, makes for interesting copy. This is true whether it is Ron Paul calling for a return to the Gold Standard or Westboro Baptist picketing soldier funerals or Miley Cyrus sticking her tongue to a wrecking ball or whatever. Circensus stuff that does nothing but throw chaff out.
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
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Of course not. I'm not suggesting that they're going to wreck America anytime soon, only that they are hilarious and makes for excellent reading material whenever you need a chuckle.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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