Undefined and dangerous

[HoreTore]

[QUOTE=Fisherking;2053570947]I am dealing in generalities of course. But it is the general situation that is the problem.

I'm not saying it's all sunshine and roses. I'm simply saying the world isn't about to implode. The view I got from the rant you linked was that the world is going to implode soon.

No one will criticize or investigate in anything resembling objectivity.

I see no need for objectivity, and I question its very existence.

It is a bit interesting that you have such a great fear of such a tiny minority group. I rather doubt you know much about them. You and the FBI on the same side. LOL

"Fear" is the wrong word. I take an interest in all whackjob groups from Christian Identity to Eurabia to Sovereign citizens. As of now, my two current favourites are nazi christian fundamentalists going through all kinds of logical twists to explain away Jesus being a Jew, and the sovereign citizens. Mostly because of the holier-than-thou attitude they got from spending countless hours reading legal documents they don't understand a word of.

Of course you seem to be on the conservative side of this argument while I am on the left.

Are you turning conservative on other issues as well? Where is your revolutionary zeal?

I like market capitalism. I also like the state wielding a great big club to thump the market capitalism whenever it gets out of control.

I'm also a reformer, not a revolutionary. The switch was made back in the 20's, get with the program.

[Fisherking]

I like market capitalism. I also like the state wielding a great big club to thump the market capitalism whenever it gets out of control.

I'm also a reformer, not a revolutionary.

The trouble is that it is not market capitalism. The State Stick is very selective to whack only the competitors of the money providers. I call that out of control, by government and the interests behind them.

Government interference and monitoring is only there because they can. They have the technology. It is expensive and they are spending loads of money on it.

You don’t have to look very far to find that they are not only monitoring everyone but stealing plans and technologies from foreign firms and giving it to selected US firms. And these firms are not from enemies but supposed allies. Government spying to increase corporate profits.

It is blatantly illegal at every level yet government contends that it is justified. Turning the public into the enemy.

Officials won’t stop it because it means they lose campaign money.

That may be your dream state but few others would find that appealing.

Perhaps you find all of this too near conspiracy theory, but then again your knowledge of the US government is very limited and you don’t know the possible scope of abuse.

Reform is what is wanted and needed!

[HoreTore]

Perhaps you find all of this too near conspiracy theory

Indeed I do, but....

but then again your knowledge of the US government is very limited and you don’t know the possible scope of abuse.

...this sentence tells me that further discussion is pointless.


Call me when you turn it into a full jew-fest.

[Fisherking]

HT you are as bad as what you seem to fear.

You see conspiracy theorists in every shadow.

I think you are turning into an anti-conspiracy theory nut job.

[HopAlongBunny]

Most of the discussion revolves around the political environment/reform; I would say the failure lies with the justice system.
In each case illegalities and abuses are being allowed or ignored. Where is the check and balance the courts are supposed to provide?
If its over-reach the courts should reign it within the law and/or constitution; if its illegal the courts should call the gov't on it.
Unless you want to make the argument that the entire system (political and legal) is just a black-hole of corruption and special dealing; then indeed: America is exceptional...

[Fisherking]

Very true. Problem is those judges are appointed by people who want to keep it going and want that control.

Just to get them out there, a couple of links others found first:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...-internet/all/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILAlhwUgIU#t=576

The second should be of special interest to HT because he thinks this is much to do about nothing and it is all just conspiracy theory.

[Husar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILAlhwUgIU#t=576

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2VCwBzGdPM