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Hi,
I stumbled upon an interesting article concerning such scenario:
http://hnn.us/blog/153284
Do you think such alliance could be possible in future. In purely strategic point of thought i can see it happen. Iran are Shia muslims, which means most of the other muslim nations in the area are naturally hostile towards them and with Iraq down. They, Israel and Turkey form the power triangle in the area. If US and Iran could find common ground, maybe it could even be a key to bringing stability to the area. What you guys think?
I stumbled upon an interesting article concerning such scenario:
http://hnn.us/blog/153284
Do you think such alliance could be possible in future. In purely strategic point of thought i can see it happen. Iran are Shia muslims, which means most of the other muslim nations in the area are naturally hostile towards them and with Iraq down. They, Israel and Turkey form the power triangle in the area. If US and Iran could find common ground, maybe it could even be a key to bringing stability to the area. What you guys think?
Iran and the west should be natural allies. Not making the most out of the opertunity of backing the Green Wave was stupid. Could have been the counter-revolution, alas, wasted. We could have had the Iranians on our side if we acted then, now, I don't know.
Iran is already ally of the US. They just pretend that they are not. But, in near future, they will declare their friendship, IMHO. So, yes, Iran and US future allies.
Btw, this says a lot.
Btw, this says a lot.
Originally Posted by PilaPis:
Iran is already ally of the US. They just pretend that they are not. But, in near future, they will declare their friendship, IMHO. So, yes, Iran and US future allies.
Whilst on a level there is a lot of co-operation based on more abstract means as they both require things from eachother, full co-operation is a very unlikely event with a regime classified as despots. Would take a few years and the death of Khomeini for some serious stabilization between the US and Iran.Iran is already ally of the US. They just pretend that they are not. But, in near future, they will declare their friendship, IMHO. So, yes, Iran and US future allies.
Originally Posted by Tiaexz:
Whilst on a level there is a lot of co-operation based on more abstract means as they both require things from eachother, full co-operation is a very unlikely event with a regime classified as despots. Would take a few years and the death of Khomeini for some serious stabilization between the US and Iran.
Uh.... Not to mention that Iranians see USA as a rogue state, that has meddled in their national affairs with devastating results...Whilst on a level there is a lot of co-operation based on more abstract means as they both require things from eachother, full co-operation is a very unlikely event with a regime classified as despots. Would take a few years and the death of Khomeini for some serious stabilization between the US and Iran.
IMHO, too much bad blood for them to ally up anytime soon.
Let's try to remember that half the world absolutely HATE USA.
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV:
Uh.... Not to mention that Iranians see USA as a rogue state, that has meddled in their national affairs with devastating results...
IMHO, too much bad blood for them to ally up anytime soon.
Let's try to remember that half the world absolutely HATE USA.
If half the world means Scandinavia perhaps, otherwise your goggles are kinda off. The west ruined the oppertunity to win the support of the generation that could have changed the regime over there. These things have cycles, the Iranian youth of this day know only the mullahs rule, not the Shah. Previous generation knew only the Shah. Iran is ripe for a change that is in everybody's advantage, excepts for these goat-herders that are in charge there now.Uh.... Not to mention that Iranians see USA as a rogue state, that has meddled in their national affairs with devastating results...
IMHO, too much bad blood for them to ally up anytime soon.
Let's try to remember that half the world absolutely HATE USA.
I have to wonder what is the relationship between Turkey and Iran? Maybe Turkey could act as a bridge between US and Iran?
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
I have to wonder what is the relationship between Turkey and Iran? Maybe Turkey could act as a bridge between US and Iran?
You mean Nato-member Turkey? The relationship isn't particulary good between these two. They are total opposites, the real power in Turkey is still the army despite Erdogans best efforts, and being secular is something they take very seriously because of Ataturks legacy. That's quite the contrast with Iran's islamic regime. They don't have anything to discuss diplomatically.I have to wonder what is the relationship between Turkey and Iran? Maybe Turkey could act as a bridge between US and Iran?
Originally Posted by Fragony:
You mean Nato-member Turkey? The relationship isn't particulary good between these two. They are total opposites, the real power in Turkey is still the army despite Erdogans best efforts, and being secular is something they take very seriously because of Ataturks legacy. That's quite the contrast with Iran's islamic regime. They don't have anything to discuss diplomatically.
But they dont seem to be hostile either, so are they just basically ignoring each other?You mean Nato-member Turkey? The relationship isn't particulary good between these two. They are total opposites, the real power in Turkey is still the army despite Erdogans best efforts, and being secular is something they take very seriously because of Ataturks legacy. That's quite the contrast with Iran's islamic regime. They don't have anything to discuss diplomatically.
The Saudi's and Iran are the ones that really hate each-other.
Turkey and Iran both partake in joint ventures, with strong economic links, both are members of ECO and they are a popular tourist destination with each-other.
However, since the Arab Spring, Turkey has a lot stronger influence in the Arab world which has soured relations between the two countries as Iran sees the increase of Turkish influence as a threat to their own interests in the middle-east.
Turkey and Iran both partake in joint ventures, with strong economic links, both are members of ECO and they are a popular tourist destination with each-other.
However, since the Arab Spring, Turkey has a lot stronger influence in the Arab world which has soured relations between the two countries as Iran sees the increase of Turkish influence as a threat to their own interests in the middle-east.
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV:
Uh....Let's try to remember that half the world absolutely HATE USA.
Maybe they do, but the love "The King."Uh....Let's try to remember that half the world absolutely HATE USA.
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
I have to wonder what is the relationship between Turkey and Iran? Maybe Turkey could act as a bridge between US and Iran?
I wonder if that pipeline the Turks are sneaking into Iraqi Kurdistan won't precipitate a war with Iraq or even Iran at some point...I have to wonder what is the relationship between Turkey and Iran? Maybe Turkey could act as a bridge between US and Iran?
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
I wonder if that pipeline the Turks are sneaking into Iraqi Kurdistan won't precipitate a war with Iraq or even Iran at some point...
Thats a good point.. Though Iraq hardly can do anything. The whole Kurdish issue is quite intriguing in the scale of the whole area. At least what all Turkey, Iraq and Iran has common is large Kurdish minority.I wonder if that pipeline the Turks are sneaking into Iraqi Kurdistan won't precipitate a war with Iraq or even Iran at some point...
You know that old saw about politics and bedfellows.
In 1918 the USA participated in an invasion of the Soviet Union and actively supported the White Russian military and the Czech legion. Despite business connections throughout the 1920s, the USA did not recognize the Soviet Union as the legitimate government of Russia until 1933. While formal relations existed from that point, the US mood toward the Soviet Union with its purges and mass starvations was fairly negative, peaking in 1939 with American disgust over the Non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany. A little over two years later we are their military allies and the US merchant marine is risking lives to get trucks to the Soviets.
Alliances are not always friendships and none of us can tell with certainty what the future will bring 10 years hence.
In 1918 the USA participated in an invasion of the Soviet Union and actively supported the White Russian military and the Czech legion. Despite business connections throughout the 1920s, the USA did not recognize the Soviet Union as the legitimate government of Russia until 1933. While formal relations existed from that point, the US mood toward the Soviet Union with its purges and mass starvations was fairly negative, peaking in 1939 with American disgust over the Non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany. A little over two years later we are their military allies and the US merchant marine is risking lives to get trucks to the Soviets.
Alliances are not always friendships and none of us can tell with certainty what the future will bring 10 years hence.
You are right on the money there Seamus. World politics have little to none to do with emotions. Those are only any good if used for some purpose.
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
Maybe they do, but the love "The King."
As do I. Still doesn't mean I like USA.Maybe they do, but the love "The King."
I think people here underestimate how much certain parts of the world hate USA. Mainly, of course, the parts of the world you have bombed or otherwise intervened in a negative way.
People tend to get miffed when you blow up family members, and it takes more than Elvis Presley and a generation to wash the blood away from your hands.
Me? I think Sir Mix-A-Lot makes up for about 4,7 cruise missiles and maybe killing some unwanted family member, like that uncle feeling up the bums of younger girls.
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Tempting, GC, quite tempting.....
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