Switzerland: Multi-tool acceptable, multiculture not.

[Fragony]

From my point of view, it is their choice. However not a smart one.

Indeed. It's a perfect deal for the Swiss. They get educated people basicly for free, they didn't have to pay a cent for their education, giving a good salary is a bargain when you consider that. They are in a very sweet spot.

[Beskar]

Here is a summary of the thread so far:

Kadagar: Those swiss passed an EU only immigration bill! it is to keep out those black people! Here is some unrelated study to show that blacks are inferior again! Freedom of speech!
rvg: I don't know about the subject, but its their choice!
HoreTore: Wait.. Swiss has a monoculture?
Everyone else: Erm... it is to stop talented white German and other European high-flyers from getting the best jobs.
Kadagar: Yeah but, no but, yeah but.. BLACK PEOPLE AND GYPSIES
Fragony: Sorry but these are highly educated professionals we are talking about..
Everyone Else: *Stories and information to prove this point*

Did you research this subject at all or are you simply trying to find another excuse to bring up the 'evils' of Black people again?

The reason you got an infraction last time was because you kept spouting the same stuff when you were requested to stop, by an admin no less.

[Husar]

Except that the EU thinks that Switzerland cannot cherry-pick how it is a leech on the EU. They will have to re-negotiate some contracts and if they do not want free trade in jobs, the EU may not want free trade with Switzerland any more at all. And who could blame the EU for not wanting Switzerland to get all the benefits while the EU only loses?

[Fragony]

Except that the EU thinks that Switzerland cannot cherry-pick how it is a leech on the EU. They will have to re-negotiate some contracts and if they do not want free trade in jobs, the EU may not want free trade with Switzerland any more at all. And who could blame the EU for not wanting Switzerland to get all the benefits while the EU only loses?

They have jobs people want, what's the problem. They don't have to bother with the immigration-quota of the EU, and countless other rules that are not in their interest. The EU loses ha, whatever the EU loses, the democratic nation-state wins.

[Husar]

They have jobs people want, what's the problem. They don't have to bother with the immigration-quota of the EU, and countless other rules that are not in their interest. The EU loses ha, whatever the EU loses, the democratic nation-state wins.

No nation-state exists in a vacuum, Swiss people come to Germany to buy food because their food prices are as high as their wages. If the EU makes such things a lot harder, e.g. by closing the borders to Switzerland or making trade between EU countries and Switzerland harder or more expensive, then the Swiss will get their very own problems. How about we do not let any airplanes in or out any more? After all, Switzerland doesn't want to cooperate, so why would we let planes to or from there blow dirt into our precious fresh air on their way through?

[Fragony]

No nation-state exists in a vacuum, Swiss people come to Germany to buy food because their food prices are as high as their wages. If the EU makes such things a lot harder, e.g. by closing the borders to Switzerland or making trade between EU countries and Switzerland harder or more expensive, then the Swiss will get their very own problems. How about we do not let any airplanes in or out any more? After all, Switzerland doesn't want to cooperate, so why would we let planes to or from there blow dirt into our precious fresh air on their way through?

Why would we want to harass the Swiss with any of that? We can just cooperate, no problem. If they can buy cheaper in Germany so what, benefits everyone. The EU acts like b*tch turned down if it doesn't get it's way, and what the EU wants is scary as hell. Switserland is a democracy, a concept totally alien to eurocrats, it just gets in their way, the EU is an ultra-undemocratic institution runned by an unelected Flemish ferret who looks like an owl who just dropped from it's tree, an unelected German booksalesman, good after the war and full-time godwin-cannon, and his unelected Portugese waiter. Go Switzerland, where they still listen to their population.

[Husar]

Why would we want to harass the Swiss with any of that? We can just cooperate, no problem. If they can buy cheaper in Germany so what, benefits everyone. The EU acts like b*tch turned down if it doesn't get it's way, and what the EU wants is scary as hell. Switserland is a democracy, a concept totally alien to eurocrats, it just gets in their way, the EU is an ultra-undemocratic institution runned by an unelected Flemish ferret who looks like an owl who just dropped from it's tree, an unelected German booksalesman, good after the war and full-time godwin-cannon, and his unelected Portugese waiter. Go Switzerland, where they still listen to their population.

Switzerland signed contracts with the EU you know, contracts where they let people in to look for jobs in return for other benefits.
Now they do not want these contracts any more, at least not the ones where they owe us anything, so why should we keep the ones where we owe them anything? The EU can only act like a ***** because Switzerland is trying to make the EU its ***** by cherry-picking the contracts it wants to uphold.
Why would the EU give Switzerland benefits for nothing in return?

[Fragony]

Switzerland signed contracts with the EU you know, contracts where they let people in to look for jobs in return for other benefits.
Now they do not want these contracts any more, at least not the ones where they owe us anything, so why should we keep the ones where we owe them anything? The EU can only act like a ***** because Switzerland is trying to make the EU its ***** by cherry-picking the contracts it wants to uphold.
Why would the EU give Switzerland benefits for nothing in return?

Than don't, the Swiss don't even want to be EU, surely they will get over it that they get borders, they probably want them already. Neither do the Brits and Dutch want the EU, both the Brittish and Dutch are pretty horrified by what it has become, and is increasingly horrified of what it is becomming. If we would have a referendum here (and at our limey buddies) the outcome would probably be that we want out and return to the EEG.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well, I suppose some French real estate agents will be happy.