Switzerland: Multi-tool acceptable, multiculture not.

**Husar** · 02-15-2014, 16:27

Originally Posted by Fragony

Why would we want to harass the Swiss with any of that? We can just cooperate, no problem. If they can buy cheaper in Germany so what, benefits everyone. The EU acts like b*tch turned down if it doesn't get it's way, and what the EU wants is scary as hell. Switserland is a democracy, a concept totally alien to eurocrats, it just gets in their way, the EU is an ultra-undemocratic institution runned by an unelected Flemish ferret who looks like an owl who just dropped from it's tree, an unelected German booksalesman, good after the war and full-time godwin-cannon, and his unelected Portugese waiter. Go Switzerland, where they still listen to their population.

Switzerland signed contracts with the EU you know, contracts where they let people in to look for jobs in return for other benefits.
Now they do not want these contracts any more, at least not the ones where they owe us anything, so why should we keep the ones where we owe them anything? The EU can only act like a ***** because Switzerland is trying to make the EU its ***** by cherry-picking the contracts it wants to uphold.
Why would the EU give Switzerland benefits for nothing in return?

**Fragony** · 02-15-2014, 17:45

Originally Posted by Husar

Switzerland signed contracts with the EU you know, contracts where they let people in to look for jobs in return for other benefits.
Now they do not want these contracts any more, at least not the ones where they owe us anything, so why should we keep the ones where we owe them anything? The EU can only act like a ***** because Switzerland is trying to make the EU its ***** by cherry-picking the contracts it wants to uphold.
Why would the EU give Switzerland benefits for nothing in return?

Than don't, the Swiss don't even want to be EU, surely they will get over it that they get borders, they probably want them already. Neither do the Brits and Dutch want the EU, both the Brittish and Dutch are pretty horrified by what it has become, and is increasingly horrified of what it is becomming. If we would have a referendum here (and at our limey buddies) the outcome would probably be that we want out and return to the EEG.

**Kadagar_AV** · 02-15-2014, 18:29

From what I have heard and seen from Swiss friends and contacts, muslims seem targeted in the campaigns...

I don't think it's the German engineers they perceive as a threat to "Swissness". Yeah, I just totally made up that word. LOVE it though

**Husar** · 02-15-2014, 19:32

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

From what I have heard and seen from Swiss friends and contacts, muslims seem targeted in the campaigns...

I don't think it's the German engineers they perceive as a threat to "Swissness". Yeah, I just totally made up that word. LOVE it though

I proved my point with two links and you have "random anecdotes".....

**Kadagar_AV** · 02-15-2014, 19:41

Originally Posted by Husar

I proved my point with two links and you have "random anecdotes".....

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-con...lim-poster.jpg

Random anecdotes, sure. I saw it more like people actually from Switzerland explaining their view on the situation. I guess it was different from Kanton to Kanton though :)

Would love if we had some Swiss people here who could describe what the discussion looked like.

**Sarmatian** · 02-15-2014, 22:19

A Swiss doesn't necessarily have a better perspective on things in Switzerland. One can hardly ask everyone for an opinion.

**Kadagar_AV** · 02-15-2014, 22:31

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

A Swiss doesn't necessarily have a better perspective on things in Switzerland. One can hardly ask everyone for an opinion.

Of course.

I just meant that Swiss people thinking it was much about non-european immigration kind of get strenghtened by the anti-muslim posters.

Let's remember that today's "Swedes" might well wear burkha and not speak Swedish...

Again, I don't think the perceived threat was German engineers, nor Swedish scholars.

**Husar** · 02-15-2014, 22:33

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-con...lim-poster.jpg

Random anecdotes, sure. I saw it more like people actually from Switzerland explaining their view on the situation. I guess it was different from Kanton to Kanton though :)

Would love if we had some Swiss people here who could describe what the discussion looked like.

And since these campaigns are by racist nationalists for racist nationalists, we can assume that 51% of Switzerland are racist nationalists?
What was this about "least disagreeable nation" again?
The only thing this proves is that rich people do not want to share and become more greedy and protective of their wealth. Saint Martin must be turning in his grave...

Also, voter turnout was 55.8%, that's pretty bad for direct democracy.

The people with an education, i.e. business leaders, are very worried by this step and hope it will be implemented with as much restraint as possible (also in the last link), so we'll see how it will "benefit" the Swiss economy.
It's funny how you try to prove a point about IQ and support this step and yet the people in Switzerland with a high IQ are against it...

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Again, I don't think the perceived threat was German engineers, nor Swedish scholars.

Yet you are wrong. German engineers just don't look as oriental and scary on posters, but they are one of the reasons for this, I already showed you that nationalist swiss politicians (you know, the ones who drove this referendum) wanted to stop immigration from Germany.

**Kadagar_AV** · 02-15-2014, 22:38

Originally Posted by Husar

And since these campaigns are by racist nationalists for racist nationalists, we can assume that 51% of Switzerland are racist nationalists?
What was this about "least disagreeable nation" again?
The only thing this proves is that rich people do not want to share and become more greedy and protective of their wealth. Saint Martin must be turning in his grave...

Also, voter turnout was 55.8%, that's pretty bad for direct democracy.

The people with an education, i.e. business leaders, are very worried by this step and hope it will be implemented with as much restraint as possible (also in the last link), so we'll see how it will "benefit" the Swiss economy.
It's funny how you try to prove a point about IQ and support this step and yet the people in Switzerland with a high IQ are against it...

Honestly speaking, I think IQ has little to do with how people vote on this issue. Even intelligent people tend to be controlled by their local echo-chamber.

That link was to show that there exists racial differences beyond the color of your skin and thickness of your hair. Should be an obvious point, of course. But plenty of people still seem to disregard it.