Switzerland: Multi-tool acceptable, multiculture not.

[Husar]

Honestly speaking, I think IQ has little to do with how people vote on this issue. Even intelligent people tend to be controlled by their local echo-chamber.

That link was to show that there exists racial differences beyond the color of your skin and thickness of your hair. Should be an obvious point, of course. But plenty of people still seem to disregard it.

That was not my point, unless you are saying top managers are usually bleeding-heart leftists.

[Kadagar_AV]

That was not my point, unless you are saying top managers are usually bleeding-heart leftists.

No. Top managers generally want to pay the least they can. Hence they OF COURSE support immigration. Far better to have immigrants working in the factories than troublesome Swiss guys asking for things such as "healthcare" or "vacation".

The Swiss, however, decided that a Swiss worker is worth the payment of a Swiss worker.

I must say I applaud the Swiss. Sweden USED to be like that, but these days you cant oppose work conditions as there are 10 Somalis ready to take your job.

I honestly think Switzerland will be better off in the long run, keeping their nationality and trademark.

Seriously, "Swiss quality" is a selling point. That point would diminish, or rather go out the window, if suddenly Swiss quality meant - Quality from random African or Middle Eastern refugee.

[Husar]

No. Top managers generally want to pay the least they can. Hence they OF COURSE support immigration. Far better to have immigrants working in the factories than troublesome Swiss guys asking for things such as "healthcare" or "vacation".

They can just move factories to the workers now instead of letting the workers come to the factories. I bet that will help the economy in the long run.

I honestly think Switzerland will be better off in the long run, keeping their nationality and trademark.

Seriously, "Swiss quality" is a selling point. That point would diminish, or rather go out the window, if suddenly Swiss quality meant - Quality from random African or Middle Eastern refugee.

Yeah, you can hardly sell a good quality german knife any more, there are always ten swiss knives willing to be sold instead. I think we should ban swiss goods from flooding our precious markets and stealing our sales.

[Kadagar_AV]

They can just move factories to the workers now instead of letting the workers come to the factories. I bet that will help the economy in the long run.



Yeah, you can hardly sell a good quality german knife any more, there are always ten swiss knives willing to be sold instead. I think we should ban swiss goods from flooding our precious markets and stealing our sales.

Now you are just being silly. You get my point.

[Husar]

Now you are just being silly.

I'm not, but if you think that is silly, consider that the Swiss were the ones doing it for a long time: http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/e...RICULTURE.html

Here's more:

http://globaledge.msu.edu/countries/switzerland/economy

I have boldened some interesting parts:

Being a nation that depends on exports for economic growth, and due to the fact that it is so closely linked to the economies of Western Europe and the United States, Switzerland's economy mirrors slowdowns and growth spurts experienced in these countries.

[...]

During most of the 1990s, the Swiss economy was Western Europe's weakest, with annual GDP growth averaging 0% between 1991 and 1997. Beginning in late 1997, the economy steadily gained momentum until peaking in 2000 with 3% growth in real terms. The economy returned to lackluster growth during 2001-2003, but began growing at or above potential since 2004--2.5% per annum--until the recent global economic crisis, which impacted Switzerland's growth. The year 2008 was marked by a worsening of the financial crisis and the beginning of its spread to the economy as a whole. Long-run economic growth is predicated on structural reforms. In order to maximize its economic potential, Switzerland will need to push through difficult agrarian and competition policy reforms.

[...]

The Swiss economy earns roughly half of its corporate earnings from the export industry. The EU is Switzerland's largest trading partner (59% of exports and 75% of imports in 2010), and economic and trade barriers between them are minimal. After more than 4 years of negotiations, an agreement known as the "Bilaterals I" covering seven sectors (research, public procurement, technical barriers to trade, agriculture, civil aviation, land transport, and the free movement of persons) entered into force on June 1, 2002. Switzerland has so far attempted to mitigate possible adverse effects of non-membership by conforming many of its regulations, standards, and practices to EU directives and norms. Full access to the Swiss market for the original 15 EU member states entered into force in June 2004, ending as a result the "national preference."

So please tell me how Switzerland is better off with an isolationist policy or why the EU should stick to the other six points of the "Bilateral I" treaty if Switzerland wants to cancel the seventh point? The treaty was negotiated this way and if Switzerland does not agree with it anymore, the whole treaty is up for negotiation again. The ones being silly here are the Swiss.

You get my point.

That racism and scaremongering could make us all rich like Switzerland? That sounds like a very bad point given that Switzerland is only rich because it is partially integrated into the EU and is one of few countries that leech money by aiding tax evasion and playing bank for dictators.

[HoreTore]

They can just move factories to the workers now instead of letting the workers come to the factories. I bet that will help the economy in the long run.

If the Swiss actually do start restricting foreign nationals(something I highly doubt), I suspect that nearly every Swiss-based multinational organization(the ones who actually make money) will leave in a hurry. Restricting access to labour is one of the most effective ways of scaring away business there is. I'm currently working for a multinational organization based in Switzerland, and I can see them running off to Korea instantly if this nonsense creates any problems. Switzerland will be left with only their domestic companies(who don't make money), and will see their living standards plummet. To top it all off, they will no longer have anyone but themselves to blame for their problems.

Should be a blast to watch from a distance.

[Montmorency]

I think this is Kad's reasoning:

1. There are blacks and Muslims in the member-states of the Schengen.

2. They have freedom-of-movement into Switzerland by treaty.

3. The Swiss don't want blacks and Muslims to move in from the EU.

4. They implement restrictions on the Schengen requirements to block movement from the EU.

What Kad doesn't consider: 1. As noted, non-black/Muslim Schengeners are affected.

2. Far more established Europeans take advantage of Schengen than the poor, ghettoed Muslims and blacks Kad fears.

3. This does not affect direct movement into Switzerland from black/Muslim countries.

For instance, 1.5 million foreign residents in Switzerland are European citizens, while 200,000 are from Asia or Africa.

Unless you can find stats that show that, of the Europeans with permanent residency in Switzerland, massive numbers of Muslims, greater than those coming from Africa and Asia, are flooding into the country, then I'm afraid you don't have a leg to stand on...

[Kadagar_AV]

Guessed stuff

Honestly, my point is "YEY!!! Go Swiss nationalism!!"

You don't have to dig much deeper than that.