1-Islam Women And Sex (2nd Edition)

[Sarmatian]

what say you HoreTore do you accept a challenge ?!!

I have another challenge for you two. I will send you and Fragony to a mostly Christian country, in purely Christian neighbourhood and tell everyone you're gay. How about that?

[Fragony]

I have another challenge for you two. I will send you and Fragony to a mostly Christian country, in purely Christian neighbourhood and tell everyone you're gay. How about that?

Dude I was raised in the Dutch biblebelt, hardcore thoushaltnot protestants. Our neighbours were gay.

[Sarmatian]

Dude I was raised in the Dutch biblebelt, hardcore thoushaltnot protestants. Our neighbours were gay.

Do you really believe Netherlands is what I had in mind?

[Fragony]

Do you really believe Netherlands is what I had in mind?

Would be if you knew what the Dutch biblebelt is like. It's still better to be gay in the Dutch biblebelt than let's say, Amsterdam, much less people with culture who are an enrichment.

Bad idea anyhow, when our Kurdish friend is back in Iran he will be hanged.

[Empire*Of*Media]

I have another challenge for you two. I will send you and Fragony to a mostly Christian country, in purely Christian neighbourhood and tell everyone you're gay. How about that?

in moderate Catholicism they will hate us and despise in Orthodox they will warn you you must leave there or they will beat you! in Protestantism they watch you as sick person but still dont hate you as evil!
in jewish they will Stone you! in ISLAM they will first hit you with 100 lashes and then they stone you or mostly will cut of your head! and your estate & property not to our family but for Bayt Ol Mal !! (i dont say by myself, this is in the Sharia) and will give it to sheikhs and mullahs!!

Let see now. Do I believe in Mohammed and Allah? No.
Do I consider moderate Islam to be incompatitable with western humanistic values? No.
Do I consider fundamentalistic Islam as a sort of natural Islam? No.

I was more pointing out that modern fundamentalism has older roots to draw on. But you seem to have known this already. Going fundamentalist isn't a new phenomena (Sweden was most fundamentalist about 1600-1700 legal wise for example), but to counteract what KurdishSpartakus is saying, there's no obvious red thread of fundamentalism to follow.

you deny your words with your own words?! denying Muhammad & Allah while you do believe Moderate Islam in nature is Good?!!!

beside that Rhyfelwyr answered you that from the very beggining Islam raised as fundamentalism, i add it that it was the one of so called prophet that converted its religion with campaigns and moving his army like the jewish malefactor prophets! unlike Zarathushtra, Jesus Christ, Buddha & ....
i cant really believe we have peoples in west believes Islam itself is not evil!! oh my God am i seeing right?!

i dont know why your hatred against the poor and the wretched Christianity will make you do whatever against jesus!! Damn this Roman Religions (Catholicism) that corrupted and made a false name of Jesus! jesus is not like what you think! you know the medieval Europe with the corrupt cardinals and bishops as the sign of Christianity! but this is wrong! jesus came with peace to Reform the corrupt jews not to create another religion!

at all, anything good that went to west were corrupted! not only Christianity, that Romans adopted it as influenced their Bull shit pagan religions in it! look Ancient & Modern Armenia! then you know Christianity not Roman Vatican's Religion!

even MITHRAYISM that was the most ancient religion on earth even much more before judaism, was the Religion of Kindness Love, Friendship and the Blessing and the the Light!! but as soon as gone to west it became the god of war & soldiers and killings! Romans sacrificed for Mithra Romans Killed for Mithra Romans Abused for Mithra Romans Raped for Mithra! while in ancient Mesopotamia & Iran in times of both Mithrayism & Zoroastrianism, sacrificing was banned as an abuse to "Nature" and insulting (the Only) God and making humanity as barbarian, kindness to families including specially to Parents & Wife, to forgive, to love even with your enemy and .......... anything that represents the goodness peace and love and the way of light!

so i think your siding and support of so called "Moderate Islam" is just came from hatred against Poor Christianity and Jesus not more than that!

so for looking to a religion dont only look to its people, but mostly and deeply look to its roots!

Look to Mithrayism, in the peace lands, Mesopotamia (Ancient Kurdistan) and West and North-East North & North West of Ancient Iranian Plateau! but what Westerns & Romans did?! they corrupted it

Look Christianity, look to Armenia (Not Israel! that cursed land was for jews) but what now is Christianity?! a Roman Religion Corrupted it AGAIN because was based on their past religion's beliefs and customs and the Cruel Roman malefactor & criminal Emperors! it was they that showed you Europeans Christianity not the Peaceful Armenians or even not the Jesus himself!

Look To Islam!! the Always Tribal War Land and the extreme super Hot dry waterless lands of SAUDI ARABIA's Deserts that will influence the wildery and the culture like Mongols & Turks in steppe that had to rape and invade and abuse to provide subsistence and do livelihood or they die from hunger because simply had not CIVLIZATION to improve their living qualities !

[Ironside]

ok....

Let see now. Do I believe in Jesus and God? No.
Do I consider fundamentalistic Christianity to be incompattable with western humanistic values? Yes.
Do I consider moderate Christianity to be incompatitable with western humanistic values? No.
Do I consider fundamentalistic Christianity as a sort of natural Christianity? No.
Do I consider claiming that fundamentalistic Christianity is a sort of natural Christianity to be stupid? Yes.

So who do I hate now, KurdishSpartakus?

I do not consider any religion a as force of good. They do have good aspects though. And many people want and has spiritual needs. And it's part of a cultural baggage. I consider it quite stupid to try to force someone who goes once in a while to the church because of traditions to denounce Christianity, even if they're only technically Christians and they stopping to be Christians would mean nothing in their life.

The rest of your post can be summarised as this:
A:It's proof of that it's impossible to define a natural state.
B: Whatever thing that mythological natural state was, it has only a minor influence on what will happen with it in the future.
I mean, compare what Paul wrote and Jesus is presumed to have said (he didn't write it himself after all). Corruption of the Bible started before it was even written down the first time. No need to blame the Romans. The Romans in turn has dominated on how Christianity looks like, even today.

And you say I should ignore how Christianity has looked liked for the last 2000 years, because that haven't been true Christianity. At least it's consistant with that I should ignore how Islam has looked like since its origin (varied that is).

[The Lurker Below]

in moderate Catholicism they will hate us and despise in Orthodox they will warn you you must leave there or they will beat you! in Protestantism they watch you as sick person but still dont hate you as evil!
in jewish they will Stone you! in ISLAM they will first hit you with 100 lashes and then they stone you or mostly will cut of your head! and your estate & property not to our family but for Bayt Ol Mal !! (i dont say by myself, this is in the Sharia) and will give it to sheikhs and mullahs!!

Sad and confused now. What religion does a KurdishSpartikus support? I thought I had some notion before, now I am lost. Protestant? I don't mean to be personal, but information is best received if the context from which it is presented is known. Also, you were aware that in the west Sparticus is an icon of the gay community?

[Beskar]

Also, you were aware that in the west Sparticus is an icon of the gay community?

Actually, in the West, this is what Spartacus means.



Lesser known only after google searching is that there is some drama involving a gay Spartacus and a travel guide, but they are rather obscure.

[HoreTore]

nvm.