Way to go Denmark

**Fisherking** · 02-18-2014, 11:47

Not sure I have the foggiest clue what you are talking about.

**Fragony** · 02-18-2014, 11:52

Originally Posted by Fisherking

Not sure I have the foggiest clue what you are talking about.

Well no more unsedated slaughtering, as I said. Religious rules for kosher-slaughtering dictate that an animal has to be fully concious when their throats get slit. It's unnecesary cruel and Denmark says føk that. Stun them.

**HoreTore** · 02-18-2014, 13:06

Yes, because the sedation part is the really important aspect of our slaughter regime... Get rid of that, and it's all daisies and happiness.

Look, I don't really care about respect for religious laws. But I find it appalling how we can even begin to call our ways of handling animals "humane". Focusing on the last 5 seconds of an animals life is idiotic.

And neither does it mean I will stop eating meat just because we needlessly torture animals(which we do, sedation or not). I can't enjoy my food if I don't know that some living being has been subjected to pain and suffering in order to make me happy and full.

We are inflicting needless pain in animals on economic grounds. I don't see how that's morally different from pain inflicted on religious grounds.

**Jarmam** · 02-18-2014, 13:19

Fun sidenote: A giraffe was recently put down in Copenhagen Zoo due to overpopulation. It was then fed to the lions. People were outraged. Death threats are flying.

Then a whale dies while stranded on the beach and children are climbing around on it while another whale is dying a bit down the waterline. No outrage.

Meanwhile roughly 25.000 pigs die daily unrelated to slaughter . Many are easily preventable if greater care of the piglets were to be taken. Cutting off a pig's tail is common procedure. Pigs are stunned before slaughter, but not sedated when the tail procedure is done. In 2008 this procedure was estimated to happen to 99,4% of all piglets.

Us Danes remind me of those californees who have 6 garbage disposers for various recycling groups, next to their carport where a SUV is parked outside of it as it is too large to fit inside the carport.

**Fragony** · 02-18-2014, 13:56

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Yes, because the sedation part is the really important aspect of our slaughter regime... Get rid of that, and it's all daisies and happiness.

Look, I don't really care about respect for religious laws. But I find it appalling how we can even begin to call our ways of handling animals "humane". Focusing on the last 5 seconds of an animals life is idiotic.

And neither does it mean I will stop eating meat just because we needlessly torture animals(which we do, sedation or not). I can't enjoy my food if I don't know that some living being has been subjected to pain and suffering in order to make me happy and full.

We are inflicting needless pain in animals on economic grounds. I don't see how that's morally different from pain inflicted on religious grounds.

Takes a bit longer than 5 seconds, sometimes minutes if the cut was wrong (no second cut is allowed either).

It simply isn't needed that they are fully concious just because some people believe in fairytales. The sale of Kosher meat isn't forbidden so they can still import it. I don't give a crap about their religious rules, they aren't important. It's the same meat, but aquired in a more humane way. If it's such a big thing for them, there is this mythical place called 'not Denmark'.
I hope the Netherlands soon follows Denmark's example. Here they came up with the halve arsed compromise that a vet puts the animal down if it isn't dead after 45 seconds (yes it can take that long), completily unrealistic to pull of, and again it's simply not needed. A shock or a boltgun takes them out fine, than they can proceed with cutting the throat. If that isn't fully kosher, screw it then, eat fallafels.

**Montmorency** · 02-18-2014, 17:07

It's interesting that halal food has gone the way of kosher in recent decades. The Quran merely states that any foods not explicitly forbidden by the Quran are halal (e.g. that which is permitted to the People of the Scripture is permitted to Muslims), yet today you see a growing halal industry that claims the animals must be slaughtered in a specific manner, or the meat prepared in a certain way - it's all a big scam, is what I figure.