Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
So if you haven't signed, you can make them? And no one bats an eye? Let's say that the newly made independent republic of Durkastan decides to make them right now. Nothing official of course, but it's known. Will anyone even act? What's the point in making the other signees not proliferate the nukes if Joe TinPott can make them?
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
Yeah, that's how treaties usually work: if you didn't sign the treaty, you're not a subject to its restrictions.Originally Posted by Myth
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
I would keep them
Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
Oh come now, your grammar in English is better than this!
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
I think America should invade because Israel has WMDs.
The answer of course, is that they get to keep them because noone wants to take them away, and not everyone could take them away either because they might use them if someone tried.
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
NPT isnt worth the paper it is signed on.
US has pressured Australia to sell Uranium to India in direct violation of the NPT.
So there is no moral high ground here.
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
I wouldn't say "no one bats an eye", but it does depend on the geopolitical situation of the time. North Korea pulled out and built weapons, but they were protected by China and have a gun pointed at Seoul's head, so nothing happened. Look at the diplomatic wranglings that went on when India and Pakistan armed up.
If the new People's Republic of Durkastan wants nukes, they can make them. However, the treaty forbids signatories from exchanging knowledge and material with non-signatories, so Durkastan will need to do the research, build reactors and enrichment facilities, mine it's own uranium, and pretty much start from scratch which costs an enormous amount of time and money.
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
I'm sure people bat an eye but what else are they gonna do? ^^
Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
Once a country has nuclear arms, removing them really isn't an option... That's the reason you get nuclear arms in the first place: it simply means no-one can push you around anymore.
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
To be fair, the power of the payload and the delivery method said country can realistically achieve probably has a lot to do with just how much they can get away with. Best Korea has very weak payloads that can't even cover the center of NYC and their missiles are pathetic.
A single nuclear sub loaded with a MIRV with 6 hydrogen bomb payloads is more frightening than some of the weaker nuclear powers.
The problem with Best Korea is that, theoretically, Kim Jong Un can get his crappy little nukes next door to the Korea that everybody loves.
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factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations,
when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.
These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth;
(4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
And the fact that NK's neighbors like China and Russia really don't want the headache of dealing with nuclear fallout on their borders.
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
His his nukes are so weaksauce that the fallout will be insignificant. Unless he blows up a nuclear power plant with it or something.
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factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations,
when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.
These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth;
(4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
Given the wind patterns, wouldn't Japan and the US to a lesser extent get the worst fallout?
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
Perhaps, but China wouldn't want any at all. Or even a possibility of it.
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
Too many variables to calculate properly. Yes, the prevailing winds do trend that direction -- a fact Japan used in its balloon bombing campaign in WW2 -- but precipitation, specific physical composition of ground zero for particulates, specific type of explosion, etc. would all factor into how much fallout, how dangerous, and how far it would spread.
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Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?
I'm sure that doesn't really matter. They're nukes. How crap or how not crap they are is unimportant. I guess no one wants them shot at anything that isn't a deserted island where they can test them.
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