Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

[Papewaio]

NPT isnt worth the paper it is signed on.

US has pressured Australia to sell Uranium to India in direct violation of the NPT.

So there is no moral high ground here.

[Hooahguy]

Because what others have said before, and because AIPAC would freak out if anyone said anything about it, at least in the US.


Also, slight deviation:

Something somewhere was posted on a friend's FB how a good chunk of Europeans don't think that Jews are very loyal citizens, much to the cries of anti-Semitism by my brethren.

I just laugh, because lets face it, with all the internal calls to move back to our "homeland" AKA Israel (and it is a very strong movement), why are my brethren surprised that a lot of people don't think that they are loyal to any country but Israel?

[Papewaio]

The logical counter for those who are mono-citizen believers is that the ones who are loyal to Israel have gone there and the ones who are loyal to country X are still there.

Those who understand dual citizenship or live in a Union understand the ability to have more then one identity.

[Hooahguy]

The logical counter for those who are mono-citizen believers is that the ones who are loyal to Israel have gone there and the ones who are loyal to country X are still there.

Those who understand dual citizenship or live in a Union understand the ability to have more then one identity.

It goes far beyond simply having dual citizenship. If you live within the Jewish community (which you might for all I know) you would see that there is a very strong worldwide push to "bring you home," citing that where you are living now is not your true home, and that only Israel can ever be considered a true home. Now then, while it is very unfair to say that all Jews want to move to Israel (like me, I have zero desire to ever visit again), I can understand (though disagree with) why some people would think that some Jews can be disloyal citizens.

[Pannonian]

Because what others have said before, and because AIPAC would freak out if anyone said anything about it, at least in the US.


Also, slight deviation:

Something somewhere was posted on a friend's FB how a good chunk of Europeans don't think that Jews are very loyal citizens, much to the cries of anti-Semitism by my brethren.

I just laugh, because lets face it, with all the internal calls to move back to our "homeland" AKA Israel (and it is a very strong movement), why are my brethren surprised that a lot of people don't think that they are loyal to any country but Israel?

I think they're better citizens than a sizeable chunk of Muslims though, in that they at least don't look to actively harm their host countries. But even that particular scourge is far outnumbered by those who are good citizens. Maybe I'm just thankful that there isn't the equivalent of AIPAC in the UK, where a political organisation loyal to a foreign state wields considerable power. Our subservience to the US doesn't count, as it's just a case of me too to the big dog that you'd expect in politics.

[Major Robert Dump]

Because they murdered Baby Jesus

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Because they murdered Baby Jesus

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[Myth]

Because they murdered Baby Jesus

[drone]

US has pressured Australia to sell Uranium to India in direct violation of the NPT.

So there is no moral high ground here.

I was waiting for someone to bring this up, it follows the trend that the post-Cold War US generally has ignored treaties and international agreements. That's not biting us in the ass ever, no sirree!

[Myth]

HoreTore, if you are not going to contribute but just flamebait me please don't post here. You bring nothing of value to this thread.

Anyway, I asked about Israel because they seem to be upholding the "western" values and point of view. I didn't ask about North Korea because I't pretty obvious they don't play by "the rules".

I don't know what to think about India and Pakistan. These two hate each other, and they have almost as many nukes as France and England. Is a complete dismantlement of all nuclear arsenals and a forced non-proliferation international law possible?