Being assaulted and robbed isn't very much fun at all

[HoreTore]

You fail to understand that Sweden has accepted like what? 10 times as much immigrants as Norway?

In the 90's, you would have been correct that "darkies" were far apart among the supporters, but hardly today. Specially in football, which is an immigrant sport. Hockey fans are still rather ethnic, though.

Also, the more violent fans tend to be darkies... So there is that as well.

I am not saying that it's impossible that it's Swedes who are the perps, I am saying that it's stupid to accuse them of being Swedes untill you know it is so, when statistics would give it more of a 50/50 chance. Eveen you should be very much able to understand this VERY simple fact, if not I shiver when I think that you teach children.

Again, pathetic. Your argumentation doesn't hold for any type of scrutiny what so ever.

I would advise you to get a clue before you speak, as you are obviously talking about things you do not understand.

Immigrants do play football in Sweden. They also attracts immigrants as supporters. However, the clubs we are talking about are the likes of Syrianska, Assyriska, and so on. You know, the clubs founded by immigrants. Funnily enough, they all play in Superettan and are not known for hooliganism.

The teams with crap supporters, like the Stockholm clubs, Göteborg and so on, have supporters who are predominantly ethnic Swedes. The percentage of ethnic Swedes in the Ultras factions are especially high.



That you distinguish between hockey and football fans is just so clueless I'm wondering whether I should laugh or cry. Get a clue before you talk, son.

[Kadagar_AV]

I would advise you to get a clue before you speak, as you are obviously talking about things you do not understand.

Immigrants do play football in Sweden. They also attracts immigrants as supporters. However, the clubs we are talking about are the likes of Syrianska, Assyriska, and so on. You know, the clubs founded by immigrants. Funnily enough, they all play in Superettan and are not known for hooliganism.

The teams with crap supporters, like the Stockholm clubs, Göteborg and so on, have supporters who are predominantly ethnic Swedes. The percentage of ethnic Swedes in the Ultras factions are especially high.



That you distinguish between hockey and football fans is just so clueless I'm wondering whether I should laugh or cry. Get a clue before you talk, son.

You still dodge overall statistics.

Anyway, go to Helsingborg and spend some time with the supporters. Lots and loads of Yugoslavians, arabs and whatnot. Norway havent had the Zlatan effect of Sweden, as I edited in before, every damn immigrant and their mother are playing ball these days.

I distinguish between hockey and football fans because... it's two distinct groups. Way, way, WAY more immigrants who bother with football.

Maybe not in Norway, but definitely so here in Sweden. Again, we don't share the same multicultural problems, as Norway has been way more moderate in their intake of immigrants.

GAH, like talking to a brick wall

[HoreTore]

I distinguish between hockey and football fans because... it's two distinct groups. Way, way, WAY more immigrants who bother with football.

This proves just how hopelessly ignorant you are of how supporter shenanigans work.

Get a clue. I would advise you not to comment on issues you have no knowledge of.

[Kadagar_AV]

This proves just how hopelessly ignorant you are of how supporter shenanigans work.

Get a clue. I would advise you not to comment on issues you have no knowledge of.

I have been to surely hundreds of both football and hockey games in my life, here in Sweden. I have seen how the demographic around football has changed, while hockey has remained about the same.

You seriously think your take on it from a Norwegian perspective trumps my hands on experience?

Immigrants don't care about hockey, they care about football. Thus, yes, the fanbase between hockey and football is very much different. Just because you support AIK in football, doesnt mean you have to support AIK in hockey.

[HoreTore]

I have been to surely hundreds of both football and hockey games in my life, here in Sweden. I have seen how the demographic around football has changed, while hockey has remained about the same.

You seriously think your take on it from a Norwegian perspective trumps my hands on experience?

Immigrants don't care about hockey, they care about football. Thus, yes, the fanbase between hockey and football is very much different. Just because you support AIK in football, doesnt mean you have to support AIK in hockey.

Swing and a miss.

Again, get a clue.

[Kadagar_AV]

Swing and a miss.

Again, get a clue.

What!? Have you started with drugs or something?

You are usually at least comprehensive, but in this thread your arguments are coco as cocopuffs.

Immigrants_do_not_care_about_hockey, they_care_about_football. What is it about that you don't understand?

[HoreTore]

What!? Have you started with drugs or something?

You are usually at least comprehensive, but in this thread your arguments are coco as cocopuffs.

Immigrants_do_not_care_about_hockey, they_care_about_football. What is it about that you don't understand?

....Which actually proves that the guys stirring up trouble at football stadiums are ethnic Swedes.

If you can't make the connection now, you are too ignorant on this subject to discuss it.