Don Sterling...

[Greyblades]

The day when a man cannot say whatever the hell he wants in the privacy of his own goddamn bedroom is indeed a sad day. Not for him, he's loaded, he won't care either way. For the rest of us. The conformity nazis have struck again, yet the sheep are clamoring for more.

Yes the privacy of his goddamn bedroom, while on the phone to another person.

Personally I would be more concerned exactly how the audio was recorded. If it was the person on the other end who recorded it, for whatever end, then Sterling's an idiot witha bad sense of who to trust. If his phone line was being tapped by someone other than the two people, that's illegal and an invasion of privacy. Either way Sterling's still an idiot.

[Papewaio]

Equal rights =/= equal outcome

Racism is not a right, nor is it protected by democratic ideals. It is thoroughly disputed with the ideas that 1 person 1 vote, right to pursue happiness (not pleasure), that the rights are regardless of race or creed.

So an appeal to democracy to protect the rights of a bigot are not there. Freedom of speech is not freedom of responsibility.

[Kadagar_AV]

Equal rights =/= equal outcome

Racism is not a right, nor is it protected by democratic ideals. It is thoroughly disputed with the ideas that 1 person 1 vote, right to pursue happiness (not pleasure), that the rights are regardless of race or creed.

So an appeal to democracy to protect the rights of a bigot are not there. Freedom of speech is not freedom of responsibility.

So if science deem, say, whites to be sub-par compared to blacks when it comes to running... The whites should have an equal opportunity to get running medals?


As to the bolded part... Can one be racist if one can show that black people in fact seem to run faster compared to whites? I don't see the "responsibility" problem there?

Is it OK to be racist, as long as you point to scientific data?

For me, personally, it would be the utmost logical brain leap to think the human races have developed identically, given evolution and the different conditions we have had.

Just like we changed colour of skin, logic dictates that our brains might not exactly have gone in the identical same direction, no?

[Beskar]

In another racist incident involving football (or soccer to Americans).

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Beskar]

Just like we changed colour of skin

Technically that is not true.

You might have not realised this, but 'white' people are not white (Albino-ism kind of is due to lack of melanin, but thats different and affects 'black' people too). When we go in contact with the sun, the body produces more melanin which is already existing, which makes us darker. Due to being resident in a far more sunnier place, peoples skin contain far more melanin than a place with a lot less sun. There is a slight gene variation on the initial concentrations.

In terms of genetic variation, the difference is a joke. The only real difference is in the mind of people socially programmed as racists.

Edit: On another note, according to some comments in thread, this person shouldn't exist.

[Sigurd]

Technically that is not true.

You might have not realised this, but 'white' people are not white (Albino-ism kind of is due to lack of melanin, but thats different and affects 'black' people too). When we go in contact with the sun, the body produces more melanin which is already existing, which makes us darker. Due to being resident in a far more sunnier place, peoples skin contain far more melanin than a place with a lot less sun. There is a slight gene variation on the initial concentrations.

In terms of genetic variation, the difference is a joke. The only real difference is in the mind of people socially programmed as racists.

Apparently we Euro-whiners got our skin from the Neanderthals. I guess the first Africans in Europe found the light skinned Neanderthals sexy.

[Papewaio]

So if science deem, say, whites to be sub-par compared to blacks when it comes to running... The whites should have an equal opportunity to get running medals?

I started off with equal opportunity does not equal outcome. White guy can compete but it does not mean he gets the same outcome. And as far as an appeal to democracy is concerned the number of votes you get to use is irrespective of race or speed.

As to the bolded part... Can one be racist if one can show that black people in fact seem to run faster compared to whites? I don't see the "responsibility" problem there?

Is it OK to be racist, as long as you point to scientific data?

For me, personally, it would be the utmost logical brain leap to think the human races have developed identically, given evolution and the different conditions we have had.

Just like we changed colour of skin, logic dictates that our brains might not exactly have gone in the identical same direction, no?

You do realize that the variation between groups is less then variation within most race groups (massive inbreeding can skew this see royalty and various inbred religious groups).

Also the largest variation on the gene level is men vs women. So as a group men are more closely related to each other than a woman of the same race. Think about it. Do you think we should be able to curtail the rights of men or women based on their chromosomes?

[Kadagar_AV]

I started off with equal opportunity does not equal outcome. White guy can compete but it does not mean he gets the same outcome. And as far as an appeal to democracy is concerned the number of votes you get to use is irrespective of race or speed.



You do realize that the variation between groups is less then variation within most race groups (massive inbreeding can skew this see royalty and various inbred religious groups).

Also the largest variation on the gene level is men vs women. So as a group men are more closely related to each other than a woman of the same race. Think about it. Do you think we should be able to curtail the rights of men or women based on their chromosomes?

Sorry, it's early AM and I am off to bed.

1. Love the images with the bananas :)

2. Speaking of bananas, love the comparison with females vs men... Women are from Venus...

[a completely inoffensive name]

Don Sterling had every right to make those offensive comments towards that woman. She also had every right to make public the demeaning and insulting things he was saying about her friends. The NBA, as an organization that has always had a heavy hand in promoting an end to racism, had every right to fire his ignorant behind. Where's the problem? NBA Team owners aren't really owners in the sense that European football clubs are owned. They are more like franchise managers, operating within a very specific over-arching framework. Nothing to see here, move along. Ignorant racist gets his comeuppance, big deal.

NO, THIS IS ABOUT THE DECLINE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF MONEY RIDING ON THE CLIPPERS THIS YEAR!

[a completely inoffensive name]

Hoping for a Blazers win myself, but I do like the Clippers. It makes me happy to see the Lakers upstaged.

It makes me mad, I actually hate the Clippers and wish they would leave so LA could move in a football team in their place.