Sensationalist UK Headline sparks Eurarabia Scare

[Fragony]

Oh Subway, naturally in England. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...alal-meat.html

How about making Turkey bacon/ham optional? Nah of course not removing all pork, that's what you do. I hope this is annoying enough for the native Brits to boycot these dhimmis

Edit: Also in The Sun

[Greyblades]

Considering I dont really frequent fast food joints outside of chinese takeaway I dont think a boycott would be too hard. Still, I am confused why Subway would think removing pork be a good buisness move.

[Fragony]

Doubt there was any polite asking involved, hatebeards don't ask they tend to demand. Subway is pretty good by the way, good sandwiches for on the go.

[HoreTore]

Oh lookie, 90% of the information in the Daily mail can be shown false in just three short paragraphs.

What a shocker, Daily Mail is such a quality paper!

[Fragony]

Oh lookie, 90% of the information in the Daily mail can be shown false in just three short paragraphs.

What a shocker, Daily Mail is such a quality paper!

Except that none of them does that.

Pork *poof* it's gone. Halal only

[Montmorency]

If, in some location, there is very little demand for pork, then why would a corporation continue to supply the franchise in that location with pork?

Shame on these Muslims for daring to maintain their culinary traditions while not living in the Middle East where they damn well belong.

Subway restaurants in India do not serve beef and pork products in deference to Hindu and Muslim beliefs respectively, and sell an extended vegetarian range due to the large number of vegetarians in the country.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Oh lookie, 90% of the information in the Daily mail can be shown false in just three short paragraphs.

What a shocker, Daily Mail is such a quality paper!

100%, actually, because the food being served isn't really Halal - the animals are stunned.

[Greyblades]

100%, actually, because the food being served isn't really Halal - the animals are stunned.

Debatable. Many Muslims, in the western world in particular, dont regard if the animal's concious or not an important part of halal; only that the heart is beating during slaughter so there's as little blood remaining in the meat as possible.

[Kadagar_AV]

Last time I checked, the "I hate all races and cultures equally" stance was still a sound one, though unpalatable.

Have I ever given the impression that I hate Muslims believers of what it says in the Quaran to equal standards as the rest?

Or Jews?

I have a problem with the USAnians and the British.

I have a beef with the French.

I have an absolute distaste towards Jewish and Arabic policies...

Did that sort it out for you? I never once claimed I hate all cultures equally. Heck, some I even like.

[Fragony]

No insects or arachnids allowed in my abode. I'll tolerate them outside, in their own habitat, but they're dead bastards if they get caught in mine.

I am a big softie, I don't like killing things, I catch them and show them the door. Except flies. I hate flies.

[Kadagar_AV]

I don't often eat meat because its not my favorite sort of food. If I do eat meat, its almost always turkey, the delicious bird that proves eating animals is a good idea after all.

In general though I get my complete proteins from beans and rice, which is a staple of most of my meals. Because I'm lazy and the farthest thing from a discerning foodie. I guess my point is that one shouldn't necessarily infer political leanings from one's diet.

Is "do as little harm as you can" really a political leaning though?

I don't object to humans eating meat, I object to humans needlessly killing animals in the most disgusting way, instead of any alternative.

[Kadagar_AV]

Well sure. And I'd agree with that. But that view is independent of the fact that I don't eat much meat, which is a choice made based on taste and preference. Occasionally I'm going to eat some turkey, whether it was treated right or not.

Yeah, not the point.

The point is people who string animals upside down and slit their throats - or deem it the only source of meat worth eating.

[Kadagar_AV]

It kind of is the point. What's worse? A goat or sheep who roams the middle east with his shephard util coming to a frighetning end, or the animals that live terrible lives in industrial facilities only to meet a relatively quick and painless end?

You're objections seem a bit... targeted. Those free range animals live better lives up to the point where they meet a grizzly death not unlike the sort a real predator would have caused anyway. Big deal.

If you take an animal from an industrial farm and kill it in a halal/kosher fashion, that's really arguing about the wrong part of the process.

This has been stated already:

The discussion is about how we kill them.

I am of course also interested in a discussion on how we treat them generally as they live, but right now and right here we are discussing the killing process.

Do we want it in a humane way, or do we want to hang them upside down and slit their throats?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Yeah, not the point.

The point is people who string animals upside down and slit their throats - or deem it the only source of meat worth eating.

Yeah but that's not the order in which things are supposed to happen. First you stun them so they no longer feel anything and don't spoil, then you bleed them and finally you do the hanging upside down and carve them up. And the quicker and cleaner the better.

The act of killing them is not going to get much more humane if you actually want to eat them.

[Kadagar_AV]

Yeah but that's not the order in which things are supposed to happen. First you stun them so they no longer feel anything and don't spoil, then you bleed them and finally you do the hanging upside down and carve them up. And the quicker and cleaner the better.

The act of killing them is not going to get much more humane if you actually want to eat them.

Is that the Islamic way? Really?

From what I know, they don't stun, nor do they do it in that order. Am I wrong?


GC, Have I ever made a secret of my despise of religions at large, and Islam specifically?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Is that the Islamic way? Really?

From what I know, they don't stun

They don't like it when the animal is killed as part of the stunning.

, nor do they do it in that order. Am I wrong?

You should kill first, and afterwards hang the carcass. Slaughter is dangerous to the butchers if the animal resists, and it's not going to agree to being dangled upside down willingly.

Killing the animals is never going to be pleasant for them, but for instance take the example you gave of the dog you fed food before putting it down and compare it to the practice of letting the animals rest, feed and water them prior to any unpleasant business (be it transport or slaughter) so they are as calm and unsuspecting as possible. Industrial slaughterhouses don't want the animals to realise what is about to hit them, not even when it hits them -- of course reality is not this ideal by a long shot.

Plenty of halal meat comes from industrial slaughterhouses and in the context of industrial slaughter halal is mostly a set of recommendations to implement most of which make a good deal of sense outside of the context of religious beliefs anyway. For example you don't want to try and avoid mixing different types of meat and you want to observe hygiene standards and so on anyway.

HoreTore's link is an excellent read, if only for the cold appraisal of the reality. Also, this one: http://www.grandin.com/

[Montmorency]

Still, if I were to kill muslims... I am humane enough not to even consider doing it by hanging them upside down and slitting their throats.

Then what business is it of yours how Muslims like their food killed? Do you lecture on the evils of European wolves for the manner in which they hunt their prey?

Either Muslims are subhuman, in which case their methods are just as valid as the methods of any other predator, or Muslims are human and your equals, and this is little more than an academic disagreement.

[Kadagar_AV]

Then what business is it of yours how Muslims like their food killed? Do you lecture on the evils of European wolves for the manner in which they hunt their prey?

Either Muslims are subhuman, in which case their methods are just as valid as the methods of any other predator, or Muslims are human and your equals, and this is little more than an academic disagreement.

Now that argument was just retarded.

Muslims are of course human. Thus they should strive to be humane.

Do I have to spell it out more clearly for you?