Sensationalist UK Headline sparks Eurarabia Scare

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Oh lookie, 90% of the information in the Daily mail can be shown false in just three short paragraphs.

What a shocker, Daily Mail is such a quality paper!

100%, actually, because the food being served isn't really Halal - the animals are stunned.

[Greyblades]

100%, actually, because the food being served isn't really Halal - the animals are stunned.

Debatable. Many Muslims, in the western world in particular, dont regard if the animal's concious or not an important part of halal; only that the heart is beating during slaughter so there's as little blood remaining in the meat as possible.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Debatable. Many Muslims, in the western world in particular, dont regard if the animal's concious or not an important part of halal; only that the heart is beating during slaughter so there's as little blood remaining in the meat as possible.

Right - and many Jews in the West eat Bacon - that's not Kosher.

The stipulations for Halal are very clear, as with Kosher, and it is VERY clear that the animal is to be slaughtered cleanly and quickly, and to be concious. There has been uproar across Europe about this - on both sides.

Saying "oh, the animal only has to have it's heart beating" is cobblers of the highest order, as that is a requirement for any safe slaughter.

[Montmorency]

The stipulations for Halal are very clear

Here's what the Quran says about it:

He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah .

it is VERY clear that the animal is to be slaughtered cleanly and quickly, and to be concious.

Tell me where this is found in the Quran.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Here's what the Quran says about it:





Tell me where this is found in the Quran.

It is in the Hadith, where the prophet tells a man that he should slaughter the animal cleanly, with a sharp blade, but that he should not sharpen the blade in front of the animal.

It has been 11 years since I read it, I can't remember the verse.

[Greyblades]

The stipulations for Halal are very clear, as with Kosher, and it is VERY clear that the animal is to be slaughtered cleanly and quickly, and to be concious. There has been uproar across Europe about this - on both sides.

Saying "oh, the animal only has to have it's heart beating" is cobblers of the highest order, as that is a requirement for any safe slaughter.

Sir, I demand you retract your accusation of cobblers this instant.

I take the view that halal like Kosher was the method of keeping people from eating food that would make them sick in an arid enviroment, be it from disease or parasites. "Slaughter a cow in the way of Dhabīḥah and the meat wont give you the shits" etc. Regardless of the reasons the quaran forbids the consumption of blood unless desperate:

He hath forbidden you only carrion, and blood, and swineflesh, and that which has been immolated to (the name of) any other than God. But he who is driven by necessity, neither craving nor transgressing, it is no sin for him. Lo! God is Forgiving, Merciful. Quran 2:173

When you remove the ritual parts of the Dhabīḥah process (which might as well be for show for all the difference it makes to the composition of hala meat) you get a method of slaughter that maximises blood loss which has the nice side effect of lowering the chance blood based diseases would remain in the meat.

The animal's conciousness makes little difference in remaining blood quantity, the controversy with stunning is that the bolt gun method used in a lot of slaughterhouses has a habit of accidentilly killing the animal early and stopping the heart before it is fully drained of blood. This doesnt exactly engender it with the muslim community as consuming blood is forbidden, hence why a lot of muslims prefer conciousness during slaughter to make sure that doesnt happen.

[Kadagar_AV]

******* barbarians.

[Husar]

******* barbarians.

I know, eating pork is sooo 8th century.

[Kadagar_AV]

I know, eating pork is sooo 8th century.

I am of course addressing people who find it sane that what they eat must come from an animal who has died in cognitional fear.

Absolutely Arabic... Barbaric I mean. Sorry for the Freudian slip.


I have had animals, and when it was time for them to die, I tried my utmost to make them die in a happy state, and without any pain what so ever.

Heck, I even helped a friends kill off his dog... Dog got a full day of fun, then we spread out his favourite candy on the grass.... As he was happily gobbling it down, I shot him in the head.


If you don't think animals AT THE VERY LEAST have the right to die in a dignified and easy way, you are an utter barbarian, who do not belong in civilized society.

To then think of people who actively choose to torture an animal in his moment of death... Just for food... Horrific. Absolutely horrific.

The hunters I know are the biggest animal friends.

The Muslims I unfortunately have to have in my surrounding seem like absolute... Yeah, I would be banned if I expressed my thoughts more clearly than I already have.

Yuck!!