Sensationalist UK Headline sparks Eurarabia Scare

[Pannonian]

I will try to be more clear this time around then:

If a store removes products that go against Islam, then it is a clear sign of Islamization.

They have not given Islamist people extra options, they have removed what others might want to adhere to Islamic rule. How is this NOT an extremely clear sign if Eurabia forming?

Thus says someone experienced in catering (literally) for different culinary cultures. How do you Swedes cope with your sizeable ethnic minorities, with them wanting to eat their own food and everything? Maybe your extensive experience in subsuming significant numbers of ethnic minorities could give us Brits a pointer or two, seeing as we've only got the minor matter of 1.5 million Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in our population. Perhaps you can teach us how to eat high horses, maybe even in a beefburger.

[Beskar]

So we have Kebab places, Curry houses, Kosher Deli's, Italian Food, Chinese Food, etc, but a minority of stores open to cater Halai and everyone loses their minds and scream Eurarabia.

[Pannonian]

So we have Kebab places, Curry houses, Kosher Deli's, Italian Food, Chinese Food, etc, but a minority of stores open to cater Halai and everyone loses their minds and scream Eurarabia.

They could serve the same stuff but call it kosher, and the usuals wouldn't raise a squeak.

[Kadagar_AV]

So we have Kebab places, Curry houses, Kosher Deli's, Italian Food, Chinese Food, etc, but a minority of stores open to cater Halai and everyone loses their minds and scream Eurarabia.

Nope.

Read again, please.

Ethnic countrymen don't like when things are REMOVED to adhere to Islamic rule. Subway's isn't your everyday local Muslim place, it's an international brand.

It's not about letting Muslims eat whatever they want to, it's about limiting the choice for others because of Islamic law.

Seriously, how can that NOT be a clear sign of Islamization.... Again?

Thus says someone experienced in catering (literally) for different culinary cultures. How do you Swedes cope with your sizeable ethnic minorities, with them wanting to eat their own food and everything? Maybe your extensive experience in subsuming significant numbers of ethnic minorities could give us Brits a pointer or two, seeing as we've only got the minor matter of 1.5 million Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in our population. Perhaps you can teach us how to eat high horses, maybe even in a beefburger.

We don't cope.

Sweden has turned into a ****hole over the last two decades.

We no longer have proper schools, we no longer have proper dental care, we no longer have functional care of the elderly and so on and so on.

Sweden is a grand example why Islamization is wrong.

Our (Sweden's) mistake was to assume that people who move here will automatically become Swedish. While in fact they want to remain whatever damn culture they come from.

Don't get me wrong, I totally respect that. But if we let enough ******* muslims in, Islamization is bound to happen.

And personally I hate it, as I see the religion and its followers as absolutely vile.

[Beskar]

Nope.

Read again, please.

Ethnic countrymen don't like when things are REMOVED to adhere to Islamic rule. Subway's isn't your everyday local Muslim place, it's an international brand.
It's not about letting Muslims eat whatever they want to, it's about limiting the choice for others because of Islamic law.

Seriously, how can that NOT be a clear sign of Islamization.... Again?

So they are replacing Pork with Turkey in their Halai-only (and not all) Subway stalls. It is not even 'real Subway' stores, it is the specially Halai ones.

I am able to read clearly, unfortunately, you only read the sensualist headline of The Sun and jumped to conclusions without any facts, it just makes you looks very silly.

If you go to a normal Subway store, feel free to buy your bacon sub, but go to a branded Halai Subway store, and you might be out of luck.

So again... where is the problem and the wild claims of Islamisation when a 'Halai' brand store decides to replace Pork with Turkey-Ham ?

[Pannonian]

So they are replacing Pork with Turkey in their Halai-only (and not all) Subway stalls. It is not even 'real Subway' stores, it is the specially Halai ones.

I am able to read clearly, unfortunately, you only read the sensualist headline of The Sun and jumped to conclusions without any facts, it just makes you looks very silly.

If you go to a normal Subway store, feel free to buy your bacon sub, but go to a branded Halai Subway store, and you might be out of luck.

So again... where is the problem and the wild claims of Islamisation when a 'Halai' brand store decides to replace Pork with Turkey-Ham ?

Because, obviously, we ought to be ethically pure in order to pass Kad's Great Test. We absolutely cannot bow down to the Muslims in any way. Even when it's a private company deciding that a different menu may make more money. Swedes in multicultural Sweden know more about how to conduct Britain's affairs than Brits do.

[Montmorency]

Hey Kad, maybe think about cross-contamination? As in, if pork and other meats are prepared on the same surface or with the same equipment, then grease from the pork will contaminate the rest.

Of course, you could resolve that by segregating work-stations, which is likely what many of the franchises have done, but ultimately that is a more expensive option, and possibly not worth it depending on what local demand looks like.

So stuff your Eurabia.

[Kadagar_AV]

Hey Kad, maybe think about cross-contamination? As in, if pork and other meats are prepared on the same surface or with the same equipment, then grease from the pork will contaminate the rest.

Of course, you could resolve that by segregating work-stations, which is likely what many of the franchises have done, but ultimately that is a more expensive option, and possibly not worth it depending on what local demand looks like.

So stuff your Eurabia.

Hey Monty, maybe think of a white Europe with Christianity being secular.

[Pannonian]

Hey Kad, maybe think about cross-contamination? As in, if pork and other meats are prepared on the same surface or with the same equipment, then grease from the pork will contaminate the rest.

Of course, you could resolve that by segregating work-stations, which is likely what many of the franchises have done, but ultimately that is a more expensive option, and possibly not worth it depending on what local demand looks like.

So stuff your Eurabia.

Cross contamination is just nonsense, as Kad can educatedly explain to you from Sweden, the mostest and bestest educated country in the world in the field of cultural customs. Britain's history with the Indian mutiny means nothing in comparison with Kad's enlightened views.

[HoreTore]

Hey Kad, maybe think about cross-contamination? As in, if pork and other meats are prepared on the same surface or with the same equipment, then grease from the pork will contaminate the rest.

Of course, you could resolve that by segregating work-stations, which is likely what many of the franchises have done, but ultimately that is a more expensive option, and possibly not worth it depending on what local demand looks like.

So stuff your Eurabia.

More important than contamination* is the issue of cost. The larger you make your menu, the larger your costs will be. You can make up that cost by selling more stuff, but having stuff on your menu nobody or only a few buys is a sure-fire way to bankruptcy. I'm guessing that the stores who switched to halal didn't sell much pork anyway, making the pork option very expensive.

*though it is a risk, due to different foods needing different preparation, and so mixing two different meats may cause problems

[Kadagar_AV]

So again... where is the problem and the wild claims of Islamisation when a 'Halai' brand store decides to replace Pork with Turkey-Ham ?

Well, if you don't deem that as a sign of Islamization... I really am lost for words.

In my world view, any store that adhere to a religion is a sign of that religion spreading.

And again: It wouldn't be a problem if they ALSO catered for Muslims... It becomes a problem when they refuse to cater to other needs. As *drumroll* that is a sign of Islamization.

Heck, I could even agree that they catered to Muslims only, if they were in a muslim society. As is though (still, but wont last for long), Muslims are NOT the ethnic majority.

And the Ethnic majority might, just MIGHT, not want that **** around. They may even see it as infringing.

[Montmorency]

Specific > General infringes on the needs of people who live elsewhere? Nice.

[Beskar]

Well, if you don't deem that as a sign of Islamization... I really am lost for words.

In my world view, any store that adhere to a religion is a sign of that religion spreading.

And again: It wouldn't be a problem if they ALSO catered for Muslims... It becomes a problem when they refuse to cater to other needs. As *drumroll* that is a sign of Islamization.

Is the Kosher Deli I sometimes visit because of the good quality food a sign of Jewish World Wide Conspiracy ?

If the answer is "No", then you understand exactly how I feel about this situation. If you answer "Yes", well.... I am not sure what can help you.

[Pannonian]

Is the Kosher Deli I sometimes visit because of the good quality food a sign of Jewish World Wide Conspiracy ?

If the answer is "No", then you understand exactly how I feel about this situation. If you answer "Yes", well.... I am not sure what can help you.

I'd like these restaurants to go ahead with their different menu, but call it kosher instead of halal, and see if the usuals whine about that as well.

[Papewaio]

Is the Kosher Deli I sometimes visit because of the good quality food a sign of Jewish World Wide Conspiracy ?

If the answer is "No", then you understand exactly how I feel about this situation. If you answer "Yes", well.... I am not sure what can help you.

There is pros and cons to both sides of this.

The Halal options are actually healthier as bacon tastes great but is not a lean protein source.

The issue isn't adding Kosher or Halal options it is removing other ones to placate a religious creed.

Problem for subway is that Kosher/Halal would require multiple work benches, preparation rooms, fridges, utensils etc. Easier to setup dedicated branches to cater for each.

Yesterday I had a kebab plate for lunch, day before that ramen, lunch before that steak, chips and a beer. If I'm getting a kebab its from a Halal food stall typically in a food court with Indian, Chinese, European and other options.

It would be religious encroachment if all the other stalls have to conform to the Halal one.