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    Animals that are butchered halal come from the same industrial stables, but also die in a horrible way, which is unnecarily cruel. A lot of halal butchers do stun them first mind you, it are the (religious) jews who insist that the animal is concious, muslims are more flexible.
    Basically everyone in the western Europe now, isn't it? Including the Subway butchers, it seems.

    Anyway, there's a long, long way from appearing to experience pain in the 20 seconds or so of consciousness after a slit throat to 'die in a horrible way'.
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    Basically everyone in the western Europe now, isn't it? Including the Subway butchers, it seems.

    Anyway, there's a long, long way from appearing to experience pain in the 20 seconds or so of consciousness after a slit throat to 'die in a horrible way'.
    You don't think it inhumane for a conscious brain to have its throat slit while hanging upside down?

    Seriously speaking, would you like that to be YOUR ending?

    You just made a brain fart. Again. The least you could do is excuse yourself.

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    You don't think it inhumane for a conscious brain to have its throat slit while hanging upside down?
    No. I do not, given that killing itself is not deemed inhumane.
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    No. I do not, given that killing itself is not deemed inhumane.
    Well then, I guess you and I have different understandings towards respect for the animal.

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    Well then, I guess you and I have different understandings towards respect for the animal.

    /Hunter
    Ah yes, it is of course so much more horrible than making every tenth animal run for a mile with a bullet in its leg before collapsing due to exhaustion and blood loss to die a slow, slow death.

    That's so humane.
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    Ah yes, it is of course so much more horrible than making every tenth animal run for a mile with a bullet in its leg before collapsing due to exhaustion and blood loss to die a slow, slow death.

    That's so humane.
    Dude, I have already COVERED this argument. I know you don't always read posts twice before you submit, but please pay attention now.

    One. Out. Of. Ten.

    Does not equal

    A. Hundred. Out. Of. A. Hundred.

    We do our utmost as human species to better the 1/10 figure. New training, sights, weapons, laws...

    Religious idiotic dogma will keep their score at 100/100 indefinitely.

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    Dude, I have already COVERED this argument.
    You have made an argument, but it's woefully inadequate and completely misses the point.

    Much like the rest of your posting.

    Unless, of course, you are saying that 20 seconds of pain is the same thing as 2 days of pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Basically everyone in the western Europe now, isn't it? Including the Subway butchers, it seems.

    Anyway, there's a long, long way from appearing to experience pain in the 20 seconds or so of consciousness after a slit throat to 'die in a horrible way'.
    It can also takes longer than 20 seconds, it can take a minute of choking in their blood. With lambs and sheep it usually goes pretty fast, but with cows it takes a long time before they are dead, and they do suffer a lot, they have looked at the brain activity of a cow that was butchered, and it was in severe pain. There is no need for that, it's 2014, we have the means to make it less unpleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    It can also takes longer than 20 seconds
    Lot's of funky stuff can happen at a slaughter house. The extremes, however, should never form the basis of policy.

    Stun guns frequently malfunction. Should we dismantle all our slaughterhouses because of it?

    And to illustrate the ridiculousness of much of the opposition to halal/kosher slaughter; compare the slaughter of chickens. The chicken butcher here has just hired a guy who reads a bit from the quran while the slaughter wheel is spinning. Didn't stop Norwegians from going bonkers when they discovered that the butchers two brands of chicken meat(one halal, one non-halal) only differed on packaging...
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    Lot's of funky stuff can happen at a slaughter house.
    I know, I have worked in one, the shooting pin we use here isn't a perfect method but it works 99% of the time, when it goes wrong it's a horrible sight. But that's a lot better than unnecesary suffering 100% of the time because of idiotic religious rules, no matter how long it takes, be it 20 seconds or a minute. Animal wellware is more important than religion, period.

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    Animal wellware is more important than religion, period.
    The proper question is; is it more important than profit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    The proper question is; is it more important than profit?
    Doesn't cost anything extra to butcher them in a humane way. If you want to discuss how these animals are raised and transported, well that's a different discussion.

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    Meh, when a lion catches a gazelle or a buffalo, it's not pretty or humane either. It doesn't even look humane when a spider catches a fly or when a snake eats its prey pretty much alive. When our ancestors hunted a mammoth, the meat must've been ruined every time because I don't quite see how they could have killed it quickly and surprisingly without causing any stress. I find it important to calm down and appreciate that halal and any other modern slaughtering is much better than any of that for the victims. Now regarding how they live before that, there are quite a few issues left.


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