Mine disaster Turkey

[Fragony]

Not that I like Erdogan or anything, what's this got to do with him? It was a private enterprise, was it not?

Than don't say anything at all, to call this an ordinary incident is more than a little bit thoughtless. That guy isn't quite right in his head if you ask me. What a kick in the face for the mourning families, is that guy absolutily autistic, how can you be so incompassionate unless you are a psychopath. I am in tears when I think of the horrors these people went through, I would expect it must be much harder for someone who is actually from Turkey.

Total freak. Ordinary incident, how can you say that, what an asshole.

[Papewaio]

Incident would be no harm but could have.
Accident, damage/death of people.

I would say it is an ordinary accident not an extraordinary one nor a purposeful one.

[Montmorency]

A catastrophic mine explosion and collapse constitutes an "ordinary accident" in a functioning country like a civil war constitutes a "ordinary civil dispute"...

[Papewaio]

A catastrophic mine explosion and collapse constitutes an "ordinary accident" in a functioning country like a civil war constitutes a "ordinary civil dispute"...

You might want to read up about mining in general to see how dangerous it is.

Even in the US, Australia and New Zealand mining fatalities still occur.

US was a functioning democracy a hundred years ago and in 1907 they lost over 3,000 miners in one year.

New Zealand had a similar explosion at a much smaller mine in 2010 killed 29 (NZ only has a population of four million)

[Montmorency]

Mining is dangerous? So is war. Yet hundreds of deaths in a single incident no longer counts as "ordinary" for the West.

Risks change. China is the worst for this sort of thing, and they lost only 1000 miners in 2013.

This accident was ordinary like a mother's death in childbirth is an ordinary death for women.

[Fragony]

In China mining disasters are on purpose

[Rhyfelwyr]

It seems premature at this stage to politicize this and blame it on particular parties or politicians. We didn't call for the entire Chilean government to be ousted when they had their disaster a few years back.

IMO cool heads need to prevail over emotional responses at a time like this - let there be a proper investigation, find out who was negligent, and take proper measures based on that.

Although in fairness Erdogan and his crew do seem to have a self-destructive streak. I hope this guy gets slammed for what he did.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Mining is dangerous? So is war. Yet hundreds of deaths in a single incident no longer counts as "ordinary" for the West.

Risks change. China is the worst for this sort of thing, and they lost only 1000 miners in 2013.

This accident was ordinary like a mother's death in childbirth is an ordinary death for women.

Not a bad analogy, though not perfect. You are quite right that proper precautions and procedures can greatly reduce the incidence of mining disasters. I don't think we will ever drive the rate of incidence as low as we have that of mothers in childbirth (at least in the West).

[Fragony]

Incident would be no harm but could have.
Accident, damage/death of people.

I would say it is an ordinary accident not an extraordinary one nor a purposeful one.

I don't speak Turkish, I don't know how I should interpetrate 'ordinary accident', but it sounds to me that the first thing that came his mind is denying any resposibility. He isn't responsible, but it wouldn't be the first thing that comes into my mind brushing that off in advance. I find it extremily thoughtless, devoid of any empathy for what these people are goibg through.

[Brenus]

“The western governments didn't just spring up with rights for workers.” No they don’t. In fact, for Western governments, flexibility and obeying the so-called “law of the market” is the priority, as workers protection/safety is an obstacle to business and Unions are pest to be eradicated.

My thoughts go to the dead and their families.