Segregation Returns to US Schools

[Fragony]

Factor Analysis of Population Allele Frequencies as a Simple, Novel Method of Detecting Signals of Recent Polygenic Selection: The Example of Educational Attainment and IQ. : Article : IBC

This rather recent study look purely on the DNA-keys that are shared by prospering students.

It then shows in what race groups these keyes can be found.

The results goes hand in hand with other studies.


I'm sure there are socio/socioeconomical factors at play here, as well. But facts are that even when you remove all socioeconomical factors, some race groups still tend to to well / not so well when it comes to intelligence.

Look at the IQ-world map, I am not dismissing but want to add, in Suriname which is a mostly black colony the IQ levels are better than they are in most European countries. A lot of effort was put into there to build it up and it worked. I also believe that there are differnces between races, but there also valid argumensts for social-economic arguments, arguments that simply can't be simply ignored.

[Hax]

Surprise, surprise: you cannot remove all socioeconomical factors. I understand that why there might be some disposition towards something, the actual differences are so marginal that it doesn't even remotely comes close to having a serious effect on the IQ of a person.

There are so many factors that come into play, that just shoving a map under someone's face and say "well everything is clear now" just doesn't work.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Factor Analysis of Population Allele Frequencies as a Simple, Novel Method of Detecting Signals of Recent Polygenic Selection: The Example of Educational Attainment and IQ. : Article : IBC

This rather recent study look purely on the DNA-keys that are shared by prospering students.

It then shows in what race groups these keyes can be found.

The results goes hand in hand with other studies.


I'm sure there are socio/socioeconomical factors at play here, as well. But facts are that even when you remove all socioeconomical factors, some race groups still tend to to well / not so well when it comes to intelligence.

Surprise, surprise: you cannot remove all socioeconomical factors. I understand that why there might be some disposition towards something, the actual differences are so marginal that it doesn't even remotely comes close to having a serious effect on the IQ of a person.

There are so many factors that come into play, that just shoving a map under someone's face and say "well everything is clear now" just doesn't work.

I think you're both overplaying your hands, personally. You can breed for stupidity in dogs, there's no reason you can't do that with people. Conversely, there's no reason that Africans should be worse at problem solving than Eurasians, looking at historical African cultures, there's plenty of evidence that they can build highly developed, literate, societies.

For one thing, Sub-Saharan Africans created a number of early civilisations, and even within recorded history you have cultures like the Christians Kingdoms in Ethiopia.

However, all modern education of "black" people occurs within a "Westernised" context, which means all Black education is imposed from the outside in some way, even if that is now a historical peculiarity (as in South Africa).

What Kadagar's study tell us is that it isn't American policy, specifically, that is to blame. This suggests that a change in American policy will be unlikely to help.

[Montmorency]

What Kadagar's study tell us is that it isn't American policy, specifically, that is to blame. This suggests that a change in American policy will be unlikely to help.

Er, I suspect this study can only be found on an open-access source for a good reason. For a similar reason, it has only been cited elsewhere by overtly-racist blogs and forums (i.e. the "haha them niggers are stupid" kind).

I recommend this book to Kad.

[Fragony]

Surprise, surprise: you cannot remove all socioeconomical factors. I understand that why there might be some disposition towards something, the actual differences are so marginal that it doesn't even remotely comes close to having a serious effect on the IQ of a person.

There are so many factors that come into play, that just shoving a map under someone's face and say "well everything is clear now" just doesn't work.

No denial there, but there can't also be denied that by western standards Marrocan youth who were born an bred here are basicly retarded, the difference in IQ-levels between native Dutch and North-Africans is huge. The average native Dutch has an IQ of 107, the average north-african has an IQ of 78. That could be atributed to not knowing the language very well, but an IQ test is mostly maths, and the scores are dramaticaly bad. It wouldn't be a lie to say that most are retarded. Forgive me for puting it that way, I am not out for getting as much infaction-points as possible, but you know it's true. That never argues against social-economic factors, as they are from poor regions and it would probably take hundreds of years of development to take into the equation to claim it's racial, but it IS where we are right now. They have had three generations to improve by now, but they are still way behind in just about everything.

Edit, needs adition. Take the Chinese, the Chinese immigrants from the fifties still hardly speak Dutch, for them it isn't really needed, almost all their offspring end up on universities and beat us in Starcraft. They have the same difficulties from the go but easily outperform native Dutchies in just about everything.