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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    I wonder how high socially an African American could go with the same parenting as an European American.

    Guess we will never know unless Obama puts some Federal grant money into the research...
    Weirdly enough, I think the best testing would be adopted children in Europe. Not because Europeans aren't going to treat the adopted as foreigners at times, but because we don't have that white vs black culture legacy in the way. We'll have much smaller range difference in how we treat them.
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    We can be confident that the environmental differences that
    are associated with social class have a large effect on IQ.
    We know this because adopted children typically score 12
    points or more higher than comparison children (e.g., siblings
    left with birth parents or children adopted by lower
    SES parents), and adoption typically moves children from
    lower to higher SES homes

    [...]

    Hart and Risley also found a
    large difference in the ratio of encouraging comments made
    to children versus reprimands. The child of professional
    parents received six encouragements for every reprimand,
    the child of working-class parents received two encouragements
    per reprimand, and the child of unemployed African
    American mothers received two reprimands per encouragement

    [...]

    It is almost surely the case, however, that a substantial
    fraction of the IQ advantage is due to the environments
    independent of the genes associated with them. This is
    because we know that adoption adds 12–18 points to the IQ
    of unrelated children, who are usually from lower SES
    backgrounds
    . See Nisbett, 2005, 2009,
    for the view that the direct evidence indicates that the
    difference between the races is entirely due to environment.)

    Nisbett (2009) maintains that there is actually a substantial
    amount of direct evidence stemming from the fact that the
    “Black” gene pool in the United States contains a large
    amount of European genes. He maintains that almost all the
    research indicates no higher IQs for Blacks with a significant
    degree of European heritage than for those with much
    less. One of the most telling of the studies was available at
    the time of the Neisser et al. (1996) report but was apparently
    not known to them. This is an adoption study by
    Moore (1986). She examined the IQs of Black and mixed
    race children averaging 81⁄2 years of age who were adopted
    by middle-class families who were either Black or White.
    The children who were of half-European origin had virtually
    the same average IQ as the children who were of
    exclusively Black origin. Hence European genes were of
    no advantage to this group of “Blacks.” Children (both
    Black and mixed-race) adopted by White families had IQs
    13 points higher on average than those adopted by Black
    families, indicating that there were marked differences in
    the environments of Black and White families relevant to
    socialization for IQ; indeed, the differences were large
    enough to account for virtually the entire Black–White gap
    in IQ at the time of the study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside View Post
    Weirdly enough, I think the best testing would be adopted children in Europe. Not because Europeans aren't going to treat the adopted as foreigners at times, but because we don't have that white vs black culture legacy in the way. We'll have much smaller range difference in how we treat them.
    Like Obama's home environment.
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