Segregation Returns to US Schools

[HoreTore]

So, we have now moved on from one rubbish paper by a parapsychology fan, to the discovery channel...

What an improvement. I can smell the quality!

[Husar]

I've been saying this for years and now I found a linky and a quoty for you:

http://www.brainy-child.com/expert/i...chooling.shtml

A few more truths about schooling and IQ (which may surprise anyone who views it as a measure of innate intelligence):

Although intelligence does influence the decision to stay in school, staying in school itself can raise IQ or prevent it from dropping.

IQ is affected by delayed schooling. A drop in IQ is seen when schooling is delayed.

Each additional month a student remains in school may increase her/his IQ above what would have been expected had he dropped out.

IQ is affected by remaining in school longer. The longer a student stays in school, the higher her/his IQ.

Dropping out of school can also decrease IQ.

IQ is affected by vacations. The longer the vacation, especially when the child's time is spent on least "mind-stimulating" activities, this decline is evident. (So, parents – make sure your child's holidays are filled with learning experiences in a fun way; e.g., visiting places of interest, enrichment programs, family-bonding activities, etc.)

In short, schooling has a long-term effect on the level of intelligence. Education increases a student's capacity to deal with the problem solving tasks typically found in intelligence tests; therefore a student who has mastered those skills at school will inevitably do well on an IQ test.

[Kadagar_AV]

I've been saying this for years and now I found a linky and a quoty for you:

http://www.brainy-child.com/expert/i...chooling.shtml

Yeah, jolly good...

I do however have a notion:

How come East Asian kids chose to stay in school and move on to university - more than black kids. I guess it comes down to the story of the chicken and the egg...

Are white people sub-par compared to East Asian people, or does the white people belong to a culture that sets them apart from East Asians?

Genetics aside, one have to be blind on both eyes and an ear to actually believe every race is identical.

I am secure in myself and my abilities, thus I have no problem with openly stating that I indeed do believe west German Jews and eastern Asians beat my own ethnic group.

Am I wrong?

[Husar]

I've been saying this for years and now I found a linky and a quoty for you:

http://www.brainy-child.com/expert/i...chooling.shtml

A few more truths about schooling and IQ (which may surprise anyone who views it as a measure of innate intelligence):

Although intelligence does influence the decision to stay in school, staying in school itself can raise IQ or prevent it from dropping.

IQ is affected by delayed schooling. A drop in IQ is seen when schooling is delayed.

Each additional month a student remains in school may increase her/his IQ above what would have been expected had he dropped out.

IQ is affected by remaining in school longer. The longer a student stays in school, the higher her/his IQ.

Dropping out of school can also decrease IQ.

IQ is affected by vacations. The longer the vacation, especially when the child's time is spent on least "mind-stimulating" activities, this decline is evident. (So, parents – make sure your child's holidays are filled with learning experiences in a fun way; e.g., visiting places of interest, enrichment programs, family-bonding activities, etc.)

In short, schooling has a long-term effect on the level of intelligence. Education increases a student's capacity to deal with the problem solving tasks typically found in intelligence tests; therefore a student who has mastered those skills at school will inevitably do well on an IQ test.

[Montmorency]

Here is the fundamental problem with biological race, Kad:

1. Banana, school bus, the sun.
2. Algae, grass, leaves.

What do the things in (1) have in common? They are yellow. Otherwise, they're about as different as you can get.
What do the things in (2) have in common? They are green - because chlorophyll is a fundamental constituent within their cellular structure. They are closely related as plant life.

Now, what you do with human groups is form something like (1) up there, and then ask, "But surely there are differences between this and other groups!"

Yes, Kad, obviously there are differences. The point is that there are no systematic differences because there is no systematic fine-grained relationship between various groups of "blacks", just as there is none between groups of "whites", or between both, when it comes to most attributes you'd care to name.

If you want to triangulate useful racial classifications then look for small and isolated kinship groups to start with. For instance, it could be that the Tarahumara and the Kalenjin constitute a more useful racial categorization from the biological perspective than what you currently rely on.

TLDR: Your racial categories are bogus and you need knew ones.

[Husar]

For all the stereotyping of racism in America, I see more insidious and eloquent defenses of racism from Europeans right here on these forums than I ever hear from Americans (lol, with a few exceptions). Kadagar trots out the over-representation of minorities in the criminal justice systems of Europe as something he can lean on to prove that they are more inherently trouble-making, and yet never considers that maybe they're just arrested more often because the cops have views like Kadagar's... That high horse isn't so high, O throwers of banana peals

Give me a break, man! I've been saying in every other Euro-matters thread that it's the nationalists and the racists here in Europe who are standing in the way of us achieving our true inherent superiority as a European master race...

[Kadagar_AV]

lol.. "Has as much IQ."

Kadagar, you use this IQ argument over and over, while people try to explain to you that your IQ score is not a static measurement of brain power. Its a test, designed for people raised and educated in a western manner. If someone doesn't care about studying because he grew up in an impoverished ghetto, he won't score as high on an IQ test. That's not indicative of his intelligence, but his motivation and socio-economic status. This is what has been proven over and over again, and yet people still try to trot out the differences as something inherent and racial. For all the stereotyping of racism in America, I see more insidious and eloquent defenses of racism from Europeans right here on these forums than I ever hear from Americans. Kadagar trots out the over-representation of minorities in the criminal justice systems of Europe as something he can lean on to prove that they are more inherently trouble-making, and yet never considers that maybe they're just arrested more often because the cops have views like Kadagar's... That high horse isn't so high, O throwers of banana peals

1. Rubbish.

2. You might want to use the "enter" button more frequently while writing on forums.

3. Thanks for informing me about the limits of IQ (golf clap), it's not AT ALL like I already referenced to Gardner.

4. Yes, I believe inherent racial traits exist. I am not saying white people can't run, I am saying that you might have to put your dream of being world champ on hold - if you are white.

5. This is the kicker:

Kadagar trots out the over-representation of minorities in the criminal justice systems of Europe as something he can lean on to prove that they are more inherently trouble-making

I honestly don't care if blacks or arabs are a trouble for society because of genetic or environmental factors. I just note that they indeed are a problem towards wetsern democratic society - No matter the reason.

I really, really, REALLY don't give a **** why Arabs and Sub-Saharan Africans become a problem when joining western society.

I just note that they are problematic. <- do you get my point?

The reason they are problematic - I think we in the west should fight against. I'm not sure letting those people severely influent our demographics is the right way to go here...

[Montmorency]

No matter the reason.

Er, if the environment is the problem then changing the environment is obviously the solution.

What you're basically saying is, 'I hate dark people too much to want to invest resources into making them productive within my society.'