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    So, EU just had the election... What do you guys think?

    As for Sweden, a somewhat more nationalistic party got almost 10% of the votes, and a feminist party got just barely enough votes to get one seat.

    Both are new on the Scene, and have never made it in before.



    Sooo... To summarize Sweden, our far left is now further left than before (the feminist party), while the far right is further right than before (the nationalistic party).

    So, basically more extremism - along with a refusal to even listen to the arguments and thoughts from people of other political leanings.

    Rubbish

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    Eurosceptic parties seem to have done well everywhere, especially in the UK and France. It's shame the UKIP refuses to work with the FN, understandible as that might be given their past (and a lot of their voters) in the EU they share common ground.

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    UKIP have nothing in common with the FN.

    Nigel Farage claims to have secured the "most extraordinary result in British politics for 100 years" as UKIP topped the European polls.

    With only Scotland left to declare, UKIP has 27.5% of the vote and 23 MEPs.

    Labour, on 25%, is narrowly beating the Tories to second place thanks to a strong showing in London but both parties have 18 MEPs so far.

    The Lib Dems, on 7%, are coming fifth behind the Green Party, on 8%, and have lost all but one of their seats.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27567744

    Poor, poor Cleggy. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost. Did you see him on the second tv debate, at one point I thought he was going to burst into tears. He must be worried about his EU pension. LMFAO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    UKIP have nothing in common with the FN.
    I know, but a marriage of convenience on some things shouldn't outright be refused. I fully understand it though.

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    I think its hard to guage how much the Euroskeptic success in this election can actually be put down to Euroskepticism, and how much can be put down to general disillusionment with the political establishment.

    On a side note, I think that's it for the Lib Dems, they've passed the point of no return. They lost all sense of meaning as a party when they entered the Tory coalition, and now they are feeling the consequences of that. The only way they can step back from the abyss is through a Labour-Lib Dem coalition come the general election. If that doesn't happen they are gone for good.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    I'm a horrible person and forgot to vote, not that it would have changed much in hindsight.

    We have mostly elected the usual suspects, but I hope the UK have gained the proper momentum to finally leave the EU.


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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    UKIP have nothing in common with the FN.
    You know by sharing a similar position on Europe, they do have something in common? This can be said for a lot of other factors too. They have far more in common than you are suggesting.

    However, UKIP getting in bed with FN is just inviting disaster.
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    Isn't it striking that in the last month all the MSM and the BBC have been shrieking waycist at UKIP only to watch their share of the vote go up each time.

    I dearly hope the legacy parties and their lackeys in the MSM do the same again at the GE.
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

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    I'll go out on a limb here...

    I honestly believe the population in the EU countries have absolutely no ******* clue what they vote about. Ask the general citizen about the different umbrella groups dictating EU, and they will know absolutely nothing.

    Nothing at all.

    Let's remember that EU is so fresh, that most people voting haven't even learnt about it in school... So their knowledge base consist of what they have decided to learn on their own... Which of course translates to absolutely NOTHING when it comes to the average person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Isn't it striking that in the last month all the MSM and the BBC have been shrieking waycist at UKIP only to watch their share of the vote go up each time.

    I dearly hope the legacy parties and their lackeys in the MSM do the same again at the GE.
    Well - I do think UKIP are picking up the racist vote from the likes of the BNP. Even so, the wipe out of the Lib Dems and the disappointing Labour gains strongly suggest that people want something *different* from Europe, it doesn't mean people want out.

    I doubt people do want out, generally, but I think they do want a change - something national parties have promised them before and failed to deliver. It's likely that many of those UKIP votes will go to the Tories next year with the implicit message that they must deliver the referendum they promised.

    Paradoxically, it may split the Centre-Right and cause a Labour victory, preventing a referendum.

    Meanwhile - the rest of the EU has (apart from Germany) turned increasingly towards one type of Eurosceptic or another - reflecting what thewy personally see as being wrong with the EU. It's not produced a caucus that can work together, though. The ultra-right FN are effectively a "dead" block that nobody will work with, making their every MEP virtually "wasted".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    ...So, basically more extremism - along with a refusal to even listen to the arguments and thoughts from people of other political leanings..:
    ...and you may have thought this was unique to Congress....
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    The real question is whether or not the Euroskeptic parties will continue to gain ground next election or whether this was a fluke for various reasons.


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    That's no question at all, yes they will.

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    Out of the ashes of his third place in the European elections, a new and stoutly Eurosceptic David Cameron appears to have emerged. The European Union must stop interfering so much in our national life, he says. He has branded it “too big, too bossy and too interfering”, and insists that the Brussels establishment must wake up to the message sent to it by voters.

    Well, an opportunity has arisen for the Prime Minister to show he is serious when he says his guiding principle is “nation states wherever possible and Europe only where necessary”. For Britain is currently negotiating with the EU over whether to opt back into dozens of justice and home affairs measures that are being turned into European competencies under the Lisbon Treaty.

    We could stay out of them all. That would, after all, tally with the Cameron principle of “nation states wherever possible”. But it seems that instead, the Prime Minister is going to hand control to the EU permanently in 35 areas, the most notable of which is the European Arrest Warrant (EAW). It was under this warrant, remember, that Andrew Symeou was held in a Greek prison for four years before being cleared of involvement in a killing outside a nightclub.

    There is nothing necessary about allowing the EU to acquire the power to extradite British citizens on demand. Opting back in will mean the European Public Prosecutor gains the power to instruct national judges to issue arrest warrants. Extradition will become automatic, on the say-so of this all-powerful figure.

    This country has been managing extradition processes with other countries for centuries. Our courts have largely proved adept at balancing the rights of British citizens with the rights of foreign jurisdictions to uphold law and order. Extradition applications have been looked at on their merits, and the strength of the case weighed in the balance, without the automaticity of the EAW. This still works well in respect of many countries across the world: one thinks of the extradition of Shrien Dewani to South Africa last month to stand trial on a murder charge.

    That kind of extradition process respects national sovereignty, and is an example of independent nation states cooperating to their mutual benefit. But the EAW is a very different animal indeed. It hands over legal sovereignty to the European Union. It is more like rendition than extradition. No prima facie evidence is required, and national judges have almost no discretion so long as the paperwork is in order. In many of the inquisitorial legal systems on continental Europe, the consequences of extradition can involve being held in custody for questioning for years at a time.

    In a rational world, one would expect liberal opinion to be up in arms about this idea. But because it is about surrendering national sovereignty to Brussels, there is barely a squeak. Indeed, Nick Clegg is a particular cheerleader for the EAW, and championed it in his televised debates with me in March and April.

    The main reason he cited for submitting to the EAW was the need for a shared anti-terrorist effort. But in reality, the warrant is increasingly being deployed in much more mundane cases. Britons of good character are learning, to their utter incredulity, that they can be carted off at the flick of a pen. This hardly accords with the British legal tradition of “innocent until proven guilty”.

    I have never been soft on crime, and never will be. But our legal system evolved to include an extradition process that protected the ancient legal rights of individuals against the state, long before anyone thought of the EU, let alone the EAW. Our justice system is deeply embedded in our society and culture – and for all its faults, still commands a basic level of respect and assent.

    Being in charge of your own legal affairs is a basic signifier of a nation. If you don’t have it, then you are just an imperial outpost. So if Mr Cameron is remotely serious about his mission to defend Britain’s sovereignty, he should not be opting into the EAW – or a raft of other EU home affairs and justice measures.

    This is the first big test of Mr Cameron’s new-found Eurosceptic backbone. I would like to think he will pass it. But observing the behaviour of every Tory leader since Margaret Thatcher leads me to doubt that profoundly.

    The European election results have shown that the British people have had enough of the salami-slicing of their sovereignty. Far be it from me to advise Mr Cameron on how to re-engage with Eurosceptic opinion, let alone to restore some of his lost credibility. But if he falls at the first hurdle, he will certainly confirm the widespread view that the Conservatives are a lost cause for Eurosceptics. That would be a gain for my party, Ukip, but a loss for my nation. I find myself hoping against hope that the Prime Minister will surprise me on this score.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...d-Cameron.html

    What an extremist, racialist bastard.

    oh in other news....

    Conservative Party Leader David Cameron is trying to sabotage UKIP’s influence at the European Parliament, just days after trying to appear sympathetic to euroscepticism by telling the British people that their message at the polls was “received and understood.”

    Instead of accepting UKIP's victory, Cameron has started a drive to cut off the legs of “the people’s army” in Brussels and Strasbourg. He has assigned Conservative Party fixers to do deals with hard-right and populist parties which, until now, the Conservatives claimed were “unacceptable.”
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-L...-to-block-UKIP

    ....and they have the gall to call UKIP supporters racist!

    Not to mention the same underlying tactic of "business as usual" for the miscreants in Parliament.

    Utter contempt for the electorate from utter bastards.
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    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    ...Utter contempt for the electorate from utter bastards.
    I assume you are using the "disagreeable person" definition, since it is vanishingly unlikely for them all to have been born out of wedlock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-L...-to-block-UKIP

    ....and they have the gall to call UKIP supporters racist!
    Not to mention the same underlying tactic of "business as usual" for the miscreants in Parliament.
    Utter contempt for the electorate from utter bastards.
    Actually, this is what i like about the tories; it is all about the manipulation of power.

    It is why they have have been winning elections decade after decade for nigh on a quarter of a millennia!
    They have no core ideology around which to become fossilised when it ceases to provide answers to the great questions of the age. You gotta admire the adaptability of the buggers, no one else has their staying power:

    The liberals rolled in in 1680 as the Whigs and gave up the ghost 250 years later.
    Labour arrived in 1865 as the IWA and are already looking pretty shaky as an ongoing force just 150 years later.

    labour 1915 = less than 7 million trade union members (population 40m)
    labour 1965 = more than 14 million trade union members (population 50m)
    labour 2015 = less than 7 million trade union members (population 60m)

    Is there any sign of a Labour 2.0, and if not, who comes next?
    We retain an adversarial political culture and society (unlike our consensual continental neighbours), so there will be a next. have no doubt.

    I was/am kind of hoping that it will be the Lib(-Dems)erals again, but it does rather depend on whether they can hold their p00p together until 2020. Labour is going to be really struggling to find a purpose then, and they may be dethroned as the natural home of the left in 2025 if the liberals make a good fist of it in the one previous.
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