Scotland's PUL community

[Sigurd]

Alex Salmond, not Alan Cummings.

Who?
Anyway this guy is in his 60th year and would be a cradle robber.

[Rhyfelwyr]

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[HoreTore]

You don't have any problems with making a mockery of one of the most deprived groups in society?

No, why?

Conservative lifestyles exists to be mocked.

And the Rangers fans deserve the same fate as their club. Bunch of wankers.

[Greyblades]

...they're not like that because they're conservative, you elitist fool, they're like that because they were born poor in a society increasingly designed to keep them that way.

[Beskar]

The guy at 1:14 makes some good points and sort of shows up the 'posh looking guy' who seems rather clueless with his "I dunno lol". He talks about how the Union brings prosperity to Scotland and he leaves that leaving Britain would weaken the both of them, and put Scotland especially 'in the dumps' saying that in Ireland, the difference economy is very evident and how Welfare support will drop to £10 a week, saying he would have to consider going south of the border, perhaps to Wales because of his fears of the living conditions.

Other than some hyperboles, how is this opinion an irrational expression? How is that person anyway 'bad' ?

So in short, I don't 'get' it as it seems I am severely missing some point or mockery of the PUL community.

[InsaneApache]

So in short, I don't 'get' it as it seems I am severely missing some point

It's called reality.

[Beskar]

It's called reality.

And how are his concerns not connected to reality?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The guy at 1:14 makes some good points and sort of shows up the 'posh looking guy' who seems rather clueless with his "I dunno lol". He talks about how the Union brings prosperity to Scotland and he leaves that leaving Britain would weaken the both of them, and put Scotland especially 'in the dumps' saying that in Ireland, the difference economy is very evident and how Welfare support will drop to £10 a week, saying he would have to consider going south of the border, perhaps to Wales because of his fears of the living conditions.

Other than some hyperboles, how is this opinion an irrational expression? How is that person anyway 'bad' ?

So in short, I don't 'get' it as it seems I am severely missing some point or mockery of the PUL community.

The video was made by secessionists with the intention of presenting loyalists as football hooligans - Rhy isn't upset about what they say, he's upset about how they are being presented. The idea is to link "Loyalist" and "hooligan" in people's minds, making loyalism distasteful. You can tell this by the musical cues, the camera work and editing, and by the chosen context (going to/coming from a football match).

HoreTore's comment about sending them back to Ireland is just disgusting, but it demonstrates the effect on the intended audience - he now associates loyalism with social deviance.

You can actually see how distasteful the prissy little Edinburgh university boy sees these people by how far away from his body he's holding the microphone, and the fact that he's standing behind the camera.

[HoreTore]

HoreTore's comment about sending them back to Ireland is just disgusting, but it demonstrates the effect on the intended audience - he now associates loyalism with social deviance.

That could have been true - if I had actually watched the video in question...

And I don't really care about loyalism, my comment was based on football fans and conservatism(in general).

And the sooner Scotland can ship the Rangers(and Celtic) fans out of the country, the better.

[Pannonian]

The video was made by secessionists with the intention of presenting loyalists as football hooligans - Rhy isn't upset about what they say, he's upset about how they are being presented. The idea is to link "Loyalist" and "hooligan" in people's minds, making loyalism distasteful. You can tell this by the musical cues, the camera work and editing, and by the chosen context (going to/coming from a football match).

HoreTore's comment about sending them back to Ireland is just disgusting, but it demonstrates the effect on the intended audience - he now associates loyalism with social deviance.

You can actually see how distasteful the prissy little Edinburgh university boy sees these people by how far away from his body he's holding the microphone, and the fact that he's standing behind the camera.

Personally, I find much more in common with fellow football supporters, even of rival clubs, than with people who don't like football at all.

[Rhyfelwyr]

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[HoreTore]

...they're not like that because they're conservative, you elitist fool, they're like that because they were born poor in a society increasingly designed to keep them that way.

I am such an elitist fool that I didn't watch the movie at all - so all I know about them are Rhy's text in the OP which I assumed fit into the same mould as many of his other posts concerning "white trash". That, plus them being Rangers fans. That automatically means it's safe to disregard them as idiots.

I won't ever watch a video on politics online. Ever.

If it isn't in text, it's not worth the time.

[HoreTore]

Conservative life-styles exist to be mocked? All of them? So I suppose all progressive life-styles are to be venerated then? Is the world of HoreTore's dreams a world where all thoughts of conservation, whether it be conservation of resources, territory, or values, are thoughts to be abandoned? Would you put a heroin-addled musician who votes progressive and lives in the hippest urban area over this offensive scotsman who, despite his shortcomings, probably works for a living?

You're very aware I was talking of political conservatism... And yes, those who desire to keep the world as it is (or more commonly, how it was 50-ish years ago) should always be mocked, with or without a job.

And the hippie should get a haircut and a job. Lousy hippies.

[HoreTore]

Just making sure, just making sure. Either way, though, to deny that political conservatism has any merit is only slightly less silly.

To be more specific, my gripe is with those who desire others to keep to the 'good ol' ways'.

You know, the old, white and retired ones who yells at the kids for skateboarding on the sidewalks. And of relevance to this thread, those who throws a hissy fit when they get a dark-skinned neighbor.

[a completely inoffensive name]

ITT: HoreTore equates lamenting about bad political reorganization with racist old people.

I hope HoreTore never asks why his favorite restaurant took an item off the menu, because asking for it back is equivalent to racism.

[Sigurd]

Who? What? I'm confused now. Google-fu reveals Alan Cummings to be an actor. Salmond is leader of the SNP, the party which brought up the independence issue.

Alan Cummings on Scottish independence, here and here + interview.

Always had a problem understanding toothless ramblings around Govan. And you should have seen through the satire in my first post. Blinded by political enragement you are.