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    AKA why I am glad America doesn't jump for joy over this sadistic sport.



    Yes, I am being very hyperbolic. But you know what, the worst that can happen in US sports is for Adam Silver to rig the refs so that they force a game 6 or 7. FIFA promotes the deaths of thousands of slaves.

    What a joke if it wasn't so very sad.


    EDIT: Before I head off for groceries, I want to pose a question for those that have not seen this thread yet. Can anyone tell me why we allow organizations like FIFA and the IOC to host giant sporting events in underdeveloped countries with atrocious poverty and human rights issues? Why can't we dedicate a few square miles for a neutral ground that hosts the event every time?
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    Ugh, I refuse to base anything on what John Oliver says. Do you have any less.... distorted sources? He provides a combination of humor and his own personal bias- neither of which give a very nuanced view of anything. He's good for entertainment value- terrible for informational value.

    Mind you, I hate soccer (and most professional sports), so I'm inclined to believe most anything bad about it- but not from him.
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    Can anyone tell me why we allow organizations like FIFA and the IOC to host giant sporting events in underdeveloped countries with atrocious poverty and human rights issues? Why can't we dedicate a few square miles for a neutral ground that hosts the event every time?
    I think, at least in the case of the IOC, more developed countries are beginning to realize what a colossal waste of money hosting the olympics is.

    Third world countries or ones with less than stellar reputations still want the prestige of major events like this- they're less concerned with the financial losses.
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    Only way to 'fix' FIFA would be to create a new one and have everyone abandon FIFA.

    But I have a feeling it would be in the same boat as when the USA talks about the 'World Series' and the only countries participating is them and Canada.
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    At that level sports is a money making entertainment machine with lots of snouts in the trough. This is just a very visible view of big business and politics.
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    Not going to watch a single match. They are tearing down peoples houses and dislocating people in Brazil to build fancy stadiums, it's sick. These people don't have anything.

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    According to Sepp we are all just racist, and presumably we just can't stand to see Asians hosting the world cup.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    He's good for entertainment value- terrible for informational value.
    So he's like every other American news network.
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    It's not FIFA's fault Brazil built a stadium in Manaus.

    FIFA's got a basic strategy, popularisation of football and improvement of football infrastructure.

    Brazil improved their football infrastructure and the cost will be offset by money they make. They could have spent the money more wisely, but they didn't and it's their fault. USA managed to make money off the WC, so it's doable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    It's not FIFA's fault Brazil built a stadium in Manaus.
    Fifa got turned down here because they demanded an extra freeway for FIFA executives. I have little doubt that they demanded to have these slums removed to please their sponsors. If I celebrate this WC I would feel dirty. There is something deeply wrong with FIFA, dirty money laundring.

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    Well, even if the countries are the ones creating the atrocities, you can blame FIFA for enabling and encouraging them by giving them the events. And FIFA operates from Switzerland, so good luck getting any legal leverage on them. The entire country lives off of managers like Blatter who syphon money off from other parts of the world and bring it there.


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    FIFA is following a normal organizational track. Organizations almost always begin with their "objective" (drilling for oil, making computers, providing childcare) as their focus. As the organization enlarges and matures, however, organizational politics (and usually a bit of personal empire-building) inevitably become as or more important to the organization's members than is their stated objective.

    A new organization supplanting FIFA would seem to be a "breath of fresh air" at first, but as it acquired membership and ubiquity akin to FIFA it would also acquire the same level of institutionalized organizational politics etc.

    Everything old is new again....and vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Well, even if the countries are the ones creating the atrocities, you can blame FIFA for enabling and encouraging them by giving them the events. And FIFA operates from Switzerland, so good luck getting any legal leverage on them. The entire country lives off of managers like Blatter who syphon money off from other parts of the world and bring it there.
    And you can thank the fans for attending the matches, watching them on TV and buying team paraphernalia. Without them, eagerly handing over their money, the whole organization would quickly cease to exist.
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    And you can thank the fans for attending the matches, watching them on TV and buying team paraphernalia. Without them, eagerly handing over their money, the whole organization would quickly cease to exist.
    Yes, just like the US Army then.


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    Religions tend to frown upon participating in other religions. As most Americans already worship at the big organized churches like the NFL and/or NBA and/or MLB, futbol will continue to be a minority cult here.

    And these religions put on the pressure early. The competitive baseball coach (me) pressured my boys to limit their soccer participation so they could be in more baseball. The high school basketball coach pressures them now to leave football alone so they can get an early start on basketball.
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    Yes, just like the US Army then.
    Umm... not exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Well, even if the countries are the ones creating the atrocities, you can blame FIFA for enabling and encouraging them by giving them the events. And FIFA operates from Switzerland, so good luck getting any legal leverage on them. The entire country lives off of managers like Blatter who syphon money off from other parts of the world and bring it there.
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    FIFA is following a normal organizational track. Organizations almost always begin with their "objective" (drilling for oil, making computers, providing childcare) as their focus. As the organization enlarges and matures, however, organizational politics (and usually a bit of personal empire-building) inevitably become as or more important to the organization's members than is their stated objective.

    A new organization supplanting FIFA would seem to be a "breath of fresh air" at first, but as it acquired membership and ubiquity akin to FIFA it would also acquire the same level of institutionalized organizational politics etc.

    Everything old is new again....and vice versa.
    So as I suggested in the original post. Couldn't many of these problems simply be solved (if we were able to push for this choice) by designating a plot of land somewhere to be "FIFA land" and hosting the world cup there every time?
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    So as I suggested in the original post. Couldn't many of these problems simply be solved (if we were able to push for this choice) by designating a plot of land somewhere to be "FIFA land" and hosting the world cup there every time?
    Hosting the World Cup is a great honour and privilege and the host country gets many benefits. It is an excellent way to justify vast investment in football (and sports in general) infrastructure and have the investment return for the most part almost immediately.

    Developed countries, like USA and Germany, didn't have to build new stadia or transport infrastructure, or only had to build a few and they managed to make a lot of money on it. Brazil needs new stadia (maybe not as much as they have built) and needs transport infrastructure. No one's going to take it away after WC. Asphalt, rails and stations will be there for future use.

    You invest 11.5 bn in infrastructure, get most of it back immediately and have the eyes of the most of the world on your country for a month. How much do companies pay for 30 seconds commercial during Super Bowl?

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    Hosting the World Cup is a great honour and privilege and the host country gets many benefits. It is an excellent way to justify vast investment in football (and sports in general) infrastructure and have the investment return for the most part almost immediately.

    Developed countries, like USA and Germany, didn't have to build new stadia or transport infrastructure, or only had to build a few and they managed to make a lot of money on it. Brazil needs new stadia (maybe not as much as they have built) and needs transport infrastructure. No one's going to take it away after WC. Asphalt, rails and stations will be there for future use.

    You invest 11.5 bn in infrastructure, get most of it back immediately and have the eyes of the most of the world on your country for a month. How much do companies pay for 30 seconds commercial during Super Bowl?
    And if you're a realistic contender, hosting a World Cup is a massive step you can take towards winning it. Competitive, and in some cases, uncompetitive countries have regularly performed above their usual level when hosting a World Cup or European Championships. England's best performance in a World Cup was in 1966 when they hosted it. Their best performance in a European Championships was in 1996 when they hosted it. France's best performance in a World Cup was in 1998 when they hosted it. South Korea's best performance in a World Cup was in 2002 when they hosted it. Argentina first won the World Cup in 1978 when they hosted it. And so on. If any country cares about winning the most prestigious sporting trophy in the world, hosting the tournament is one of the most significant things they can do towards that end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    And if you're a realistic contender, hosting a World Cup is a massive step you can take towards winning it. Competitive, and in some cases, uncompetitive countries have regularly performed above their usual level when hosting a World Cup or European Championships. England's best performance in a World Cup was in 1966 when they hosted it. Their best performance in a European Championships was in 1996 when they hosted it. France's best performance in a World Cup was in 1998 when they hosted it. South Korea's best performance in a World Cup was in 2002 when they hosted it. Argentina first won the World Cup in 1978 when they hosted it. And so on. If any country cares about winning the most prestigious sporting trophy in the world, hosting the tournament is one of the most significant things they can do towards that end.
    Does not hold true of USA. Aside from the 1930 performance, our hosting performance was only the third best outcome in recent decades -- we have done better twice since then. Moreover, I am proud to say, no yanks have ever been murdered over an accidental "own-goal."
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    So as I suggested in the original post. Couldn't many of these problems simply be solved (if we were able to push for this choice) by designating a plot of land somewhere to be "FIFA land" and hosting the world cup there every time?
    As you seem to be aware of, there is a problem with enforcing this, and then there is the problem of peopla all around our ball wanting to see the matches and not all of them will be able to afford a flight to FIFA land. So When it moves around the globe, more and different people get to partake in it.

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    Does not hold true of USA. Aside from the 1930 performance, our hosting performance was only the third best outcome in recent decades -- we have done better twice since then. Moreover, I am proud to say, no yanks have ever been murdered over an accidental "own-goal."
    Worse have happened than a shooting. A referee was beheaded on the pitch in Brazil and his head paraded on a stick a few months ago. Admittedly, that was after he'd shot someone.

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    Hosting the World Cup is a great honour and privilege and the host country gets many benefits. It is an excellent way to justify vast investment in football (and sports in general) infrastructure and have the investment return for the most part almost immediately.
    Oh yes, great privilege in having your citizens riot in the streets because you spent their money on stadiums which won't be used after a dozen games. Such honor in having your country bulldoze slums and forests alike just so you can send all the profits straight to FIFA anyway!

    Sports for sports sake is inhumane.
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    Oh yes, great privilege in having your citizens riot in the streets because you spent their money on stadiums which won't be used after a dozen games. Such honor in having your country bulldoze slums and forests alike just so you can send all the profits straight to FIFA anyway!

    Sports for sports sake is inhumane.
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    Sports for sports sake is inhumane.
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    Tell it to the PE teachers...
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    Oh yes, great privilege in having your citizens riot in the streets because you spent their money on stadiums which won't be used after a dozen games. Such honor in having your country bulldoze slums and forests alike just so you can send all the profits straight to FIFA anyway!

    Sports for sports sake is inhumane.
    Who said they won't be used?

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    Who said they won't be used?
    Well just ask the Chinese how their olympic stadiums are holding up.
    http://www.citylab.com/work/2012/07/...ic-ruins/2499/

    Quick google search will give you plenty of decay in the aftermath of 2004 Olympics in Athens.

    If the Chinese can't find use for their stuff, what makes you think a brand new 40,000 seat stadium in the middle of the amazon, with only 551,000 people living near it is going to thrive after July 13th?
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    Well just ask the Chinese how their olympic stadiums are holding up.
    http://www.citylab.com/work/2012/07/...ic-ruins/2499/

    Quick google search will give you plenty of decay in the aftermath of 2004 Olympics in Athens.

    If the Chinese can't find use for their stuff, what makes you think a brand new 40,000 seat stadium in the middle of the amazon, with only 551,000 people living near it is going to thrive after July 13th?
    Olympics are quite different from WC. Football doesn't demand such a diverse infrastructure and is by far the most popular sport in the world. Even more so in Brazil.

    Football stadiums are also quite versatile and can be used for other sports, athletics tournaments are often held there, and even for some stuff unrelated to sports, for instance concerts.

    In the case of Cuiaba, the stadium was built in place of an older stadium, that had capacity of cca. 44,000, and it will be used as home stadium by two local clubs, Mixto and Cuiaba.

    I'm not saying it couldn't have been done cheaper as I don't really know the average attendance of Mixto and Cuiaba.

    But, again, not FIFA's fault. World Cup is one of the few international sporting events that are actually profitable if done correctly. FIFA often allocates WC to a country that could use a significant investment in football infrastructure so that they could offset much of the cost. Of course, corruption in said country can drive the cost higher than it should have been but that is again not FIFA's fault.

    Brazil is a sound choice and they will benefit in the long run. Qatar, on the other hand...

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