ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

[a completely inoffensive name]

This rests on the assumption that isis will be allowed to exist as some sort of a quasi state. I don't think that will be the case as neither Iraq nor Syria would be content to maintain the status quo, and our air power will considerably worsen the situation for isis.

Unless we put boots on the ground, they will exist. You can't win the war with just bombs.

Have you seen the map that ISIS used to show how far they plan on expanding? I'm not lying. They plan on expanding to western China. My Chinese friend told me that it was on the news in China. I'm not saying that ISIS is able to. I'm just explaining how peace is not in their minds for now. And being in a war with China means war for a long long time.

And I wonder what will happen if ISIS does terrorist acts on American land? Would the US send soldiers to Iraq and Syria?

Even if they never stop attacking, there is always a point when the strength of the two forces are in equilibrium and that point is where the border is drawn. As long as the border remains stable, people on either side of the border will continue to live as they always have just as US citizens go about their days without giving much thought that we have been at war for over 10 years.

[rvg]

Unless we put boots on the ground, they will exist. You can't win the war with just bombs.

Kurdish Peshmerga fighters are our boots on the ground.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Kurdish Peshmerga fighters are our boots on the ground.

They will not and can not push through all the way into syria.

[rvg]

They will not and can not push through all the way into syria.

They can, they will and they already do. YPG is the Syrian Kurdish group that does well against ISIS.

[a completely inoffensive name]

They can, they will and they already do. YPG is the Syrian Kurdish group that does well against ISIS.

It's not just a matter of logistics (which I doubt is sustainable for them) but also of politics. Iraq, Turkey and Syria all leave the kurds well enough alone for the most part. But letting the Kurds take all the glory of battle and capture ISIS land forces a situation where they have the clout to push for an fully independent kurdistan in both Iraq and possibly Syria as well.

Believe me, I want nothing more than for Kurds to wipe out ISIS with US support and be able to finally live in peace under self determination. I have said already I support a multi state solution in the area. I just don't see it happening. You see where I am coming from?

[rvg]

It's not just a matter of logistics (which I doubt is sustainable for them) but also of politics. Iraq, Turkey and Syria all leave the kurds well enough alone for the most part. But letting the Kurds take all the glory of battle and capture ISIS land forces a situation where they have the clout to push for an fully independent kurdistan in both Iraq and possibly Syria as well.

Turkey is now an active supporter and promoter of Iraqi Kurdistan. They reason that Iraqi Kurds are openly discussing their independence today as opposed to ten years ago is due to Turkey withdrawing its objections. Iraqi Kurdistan is already de-facto independent and within a span of a few months it will be de-jure independent as well. Turkey has no problem with it.

Believe me, I want nothing more than for Kurds to wipe out ISIS with US support and be able to finally live in peace under self determination. I just don't see it happening. You see where I am coming from?

I think you are making judgements based on obsolete information. Things have changed considerably in the last 12 months.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Turkey is now an active supporter and promoter of Iraqi Kurdistan. They reason that Iraqi Kurds are openly discussing their independence today as opposed to ten years ago is due to Turkey withdrawing its objections. Iraqi Kurdistan is already de-facto independent and within a span of a few months it will be de-jure independent as well. Turkey has no problem with it.

I think you are making judgements based on obsolete information. Things have changed considerably in the last 12 months.

Possibly, I don't really follow the situation that closely other than a daily news article. Didn't know that about Turkey, glad to hear they have changed their tune.

[Sarmatian]

Turkey is now an active supporter and promoter of Iraqi Kurdistan. They reason that Iraqi Kurds are openly discussing their independence today as opposed to ten years ago is due to Turkey withdrawing its objections. Iraqi Kurdistan is already de-facto independent and within a span of a few months it will be de-jure independent as well. Turkey has no problem with it.

I think you are making judgements based on obsolete information. Things have changed considerably in the last 12 months.

Do you have something to back that up? I find it highly improbable that Turkey would be supporting independent Kurdistan due to their own Kurdish minority, which will most likely want a piece of Turkey. Hoping that their Kurds will just move to the new state on their own seems naive.

[Shaka_Khan]

Even if they never stop attacking, there is always a point when the strength of the two forces are in equilibrium and that point is where the border is drawn. As long as the border remains stable, people on either side of the border will continue to live as they always have just as US citizens go about their days without giving much thought that we have been at war for over 10 years.

I'm afraid that they can be a threat with terrorist strikes beyond their border. Think of how many different nationalities joined them. I'm pretty sure that they have more followers where those nationalities came from.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm afraid that they can be a threat with terrorist strikes beyond their border. Think of how many different nationalities joined them. I'm pretty sure that they have more followers where those nationalities came from.

Fair point.

[Fragony]

I'm afraid that they can be a threat with terrorist strikes beyond their border. Think of how many different nationalities joined them. I'm pretty sure that they have more followers where those nationalities came from.

Just to make you feel better, an overwhelming majority of the Dutch muslims (74%) thinks dutch muslims who pack up to fight are heroes. Can be be nuanced I suppose, as the questions asked are more about fighting against Assad rather than fighting for IS. But they can't have missed what IS actually does. Smileys are flying all over the internet about the beheaded journalist.

Sometimes you just have to question if islam is really an enrichment to our culture as lefties will furiously scream if you say it wasn't the greatest idea in the world and surroundings to import islam.

[rvg]

Sometimes you just have to question if islam is really an enrichment to our culture as lefties will furiously scream if you say it wasn't the greatest idea in the world and surroundings to import islam.

For now it's still not too late to crush it in Europe, although France seems to be rapidly approaching the point of no return.

[Shaka_Khan]

I know that not all of the Muslims are dangerous to society. But from what I can tell from the news, I believe that there are a significant number in Western Europe who could cause problems even when being in the minority.

[HoreTore]

Just to make you feel better, an overwhelming majority of the Dutch muslims (74%) thinks dutch muslims who pack up to fight are heroes. Can be be nuanced I suppose, as the questions asked are more about fighting against Assad rather than fighting for IS. But they can't have missed what IS actually does. Smileys are flying all over the internet about the beheaded journalist.

Sometimes you just have to question if islam is really an enrichment to our culture as lefties will furiously scream if you say it wasn't the greatest idea in the world and surroundings to import islam.

Well, you seem to have utterly missed what they do. They're not just one of the smallest rebel groups; they spend most of their time fighting against other Syrian rebel groups.

Supporting Syrian rebels =/= supporting ISIS

That is not to say that a worrying percentage of ISIS is European-born, the point is that you can't translate support for the syrian groups into any kind of support for ISIS.

[Fragony]

Well, you seem to have utterly missed what they do. They're not just one of the smallest rebel groups; they spend most of their time fighting against other Syrian rebel groups.

Supporting Syrian rebels =/= supporting ISIS

That is not to say that a worrying percentage of ISIS is European-born, the point is that you can't translate support for the syrian groups into any kind of support for ISIS.

That's what I said no, that it can be nuanced.

[HoreTore]

I know that not all of the Muslims are dangerous to society. But from what I can tell from the news, I believe that there are a significant number in Western Europe who could cause problems even when being in the minority.

Not all Christians are a danger to society, but there are a significant number who could cause problems even when being in the minority.

That's what I said no, that it can be nuanced.

"Nuanced" is an understatement.

[Fragony]

"Nuanced" is an understatement.

You haven't even read it.

If you want to deny the reality of how muslims who live in peace here actually think, go ahead. Doesn't make these 74% terrorists mind you.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Not all Christians are a danger to society, but there are a significant number who could cause problems even when being in the minority.



"Nuanced" is an understatement.

Not all Atheists are a danger to society, but... Stalin.

Sorry, I'm eating dinner and therefore lazy.