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    They will not and can not push through all the way into syria.
    They can, they will and they already do. YPG is the Syrian Kurdish group that does well against ISIS.
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    They can, they will and they already do. YPG is the Syrian Kurdish group that does well against ISIS.
    It's not just a matter of logistics (which I doubt is sustainable for them) but also of politics. Iraq, Turkey and Syria all leave the kurds well enough alone for the most part. But letting the Kurds take all the glory of battle and capture ISIS land forces a situation where they have the clout to push for an fully independent kurdistan in both Iraq and possibly Syria as well.

    Believe me, I want nothing more than for Kurds to wipe out ISIS with US support and be able to finally live in peace under self determination. I have said already I support a multi state solution in the area. I just don't see it happening. You see where I am coming from?


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    It's not just a matter of logistics (which I doubt is sustainable for them) but also of politics. Iraq, Turkey and Syria all leave the kurds well enough alone for the most part. But letting the Kurds take all the glory of battle and capture ISIS land forces a situation where they have the clout to push for an fully independent kurdistan in both Iraq and possibly Syria as well.
    Turkey is now an active supporter and promoter of Iraqi Kurdistan. They reason that Iraqi Kurds are openly discussing their independence today as opposed to ten years ago is due to Turkey withdrawing its objections. Iraqi Kurdistan is already de-facto independent and within a span of a few months it will be de-jure independent as well. Turkey has no problem with it.

    Believe me, I want nothing more than for Kurds to wipe out ISIS with US support and be able to finally live in peace under self determination. I just don't see it happening. You see where I am coming from?
    I think you are making judgements based on obsolete information. Things have changed considerably in the last 12 months.
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    Turkey is now an active supporter and promoter of Iraqi Kurdistan. They reason that Iraqi Kurds are openly discussing their independence today as opposed to ten years ago is due to Turkey withdrawing its objections. Iraqi Kurdistan is already de-facto independent and within a span of a few months it will be de-jure independent as well. Turkey has no problem with it.

    I think you are making judgements based on obsolete information. Things have changed considerably in the last 12 months.
    Possibly, I don't really follow the situation that closely other than a daily news article. Didn't know that about Turkey, glad to hear they have changed their tune.


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    Is Turkey hoping their Kurds will move to Iraq?

    Best case scenario Kurds in Turkey are integrated into society in Turkey. Everyone is happy.

    Bordering them is Syria-Kurdistan region/state/country and bordering them is Iraq-Kurdistan region/state/country.

    Hopefully Kurds in turn treat their minorities well and the dialogue begins with the Turkish Kurds forming a bridge between Turkey and the other Kurdish regions.
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    Default Re: ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

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    Turkey is now an active supporter and promoter of Iraqi Kurdistan. They reason that Iraqi Kurds are openly discussing their independence today as opposed to ten years ago is due to Turkey withdrawing its objections. Iraqi Kurdistan is already de-facto independent and within a span of a few months it will be de-jure independent as well. Turkey has no problem with it.

    I think you are making judgements based on obsolete information. Things have changed considerably in the last 12 months.
    Do you have something to back that up? I find it highly improbable that Turkey would be supporting independent Kurdistan due to their own Kurdish minority, which will most likely want a piece of Turkey. Hoping that their Kurds will just move to the new state on their own seems naive.

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    Do you have something to back that up? I find it highly improbable that Turkey would be supporting independent Kurdistan due to their own Kurdish minority, which will most likely want a piece of Turkey. Hoping that their Kurds will just move to the new state on their own seems naive.
    It's been discussed quite intensively over the past few months. I'm quite honestly surprised that this is news to you. Here.
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