ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

[HoreTore]

That's a while ago

Yes, "today" is indeed a long time ago.

Just out of curiosity(and ignoring the fact that you're using debunked junk science from a eugenics proponent), just what is a significantly lower IQ? Do you know how big the gap needs to be to be able to tell any difference between two individuals?

By the way: Christian immigrants are also highly over-represented in crime. Buddhists too. Probably more.

[Fragony]

Yes, "today" is indeed a long time ago.

Just out of curiosity(and ignoring the fact that you're using debunked junk science from a eugenics proponent), just what is a significantly lower IQ? Do you know how big the gap needs to be to be able to tell any difference between two individuals?

By the way: Christian immigrants are also highly over-represented in crime. Buddhists too. Probably more.

You can check the IQ world-map for your question. And it shows. Almost none make it to higher education, and often cope on the lowest we have to offer. The average Dutchman has an IQ of 105. The average north-african regardless of being here for three generations is hopelessly behind, A LOT of north-africans are 'zwakbegaafd' as it's called here, (weakly gifted should translate well enough), but barely able sums it up fine. The effects of inbreeding is well known. A lower IQ isn't the only consequence, so are health-problems, and being more prone to mental disorders. Girls do better though, you will see plemty muslim girls at universities. I don't know why that is, only the males fail at just about everything.

[Hax]

My dad is an Algerian with a double PhD in microbiology and virology.

But I'll make sure to tell him that he's retarded the next time I see him, thanks to his being "north-African".

[Fragony]

My dad is an Algerian with a double PhD in microbiology and virology.

But I'll make sure to tell him that he's retarded the next time I see him, thanks to his being "north-African".

Of course there are north-africans who do well, but not a lot. Not the avarage one, way behind. Do you deny that? Do you deny that there is an increased risk of physical and mental illness because of centuries of 'keeping it in the family'?

[Hax]

yeah, don't you think it's more likely there's an increased risk of mental illness because of +/- 200 years of colonialism which was often paired with the systematic castration of the countries' intellectual elite, finally followed by bloody wars of independence?

but nevermind guys, Fragony has got it all figured out. Let's just burn all scientific papers arguing for anything else and pelt them at incoming immigrants.

[Fragony]

yeah, don't you think it's more likely there's an increased risk of mental illness because of +/- 200 years of colonialism which was often paired with the systematic castration of the countryies' intellectual elite.

Never heard about that but I'll look it up. Whiping out the intellectuals in China didn't had any effect though, they are still very intelligent people.

Edit: Can't find anything, do you have a good link? Totally new to me.

[Hax]

Never heard about that but I'll look it up. Whiping out the intellectuals in China didn't had any effect though, they are still very intelligent people.

Edit: Can't find anything, do you have a good link? Totally new to me.

cf. Algerian War for Independence.

Most countries only the rich did well and everyone else was oppressed. There was no meritocracy anywhere else - poor people died the world over.
The "bloody" wars for independance were nothing compared to the slaughters since.

Definitely agree with the first part, but colonialism tends to also have some negative effects on the native population, especially during the era of nationalism.

[rory_20_uk]

yeah, don't you think it's more likely there's an increased risk of mental illness because of +/- 200 years of colonialism which was often paired with the systematic castration of the countries' intellectual elite, finally followed by bloody wars of independence?

but nevermind guys, Fragony has got it all figured out. Let's just burn all scientific papers arguing for anything else and pelt them at incoming immigrants.

Most countries only the rich did well and everyone else was oppressed. There was no meritocracy anywhere else - poor people died the world over.
The "bloody" wars for independance were nothing compared to the slaughters since.

Mental illness is also subjective. Believing in someone born of a virgin who was impregnated by something that was partly what the virgin gave birth to, performed miracles, died and then was resurrected and hasn't been since seems pretty loopy - unless if is an allowed form.

[HoreTore]

You can check the IQ world-map for your question.

That ma is debunked junk science made by a eugenics fan who wants to sterilize dumb people. Remember the importance of checking your sources.

And it shows.

I asked you a specific question, and I want a specific answer:

How big does the IQ difference between two people have to be before you can tell there's a difference? IQ is measured in simple numbers, so you should have next to no problems giving an exact number. Or at least a possible range.

[rory_20_uk]

How big does the IQ difference between two people have to be before you can tell there's a difference? IQ is measured in simple numbers, so you should have next to no problems giving an exact number. Or at least a possible range.

IQ tests only show how good you are at that specific test - to be obtuse if I was given an IQ test in Norwegian I'd get almost all of it wrong as I'd not understand the instructions which is a language barrier not my innate cognition.

I'd estimate 10-15 points.

[HoreTore]

IQ tests only show how good you are at that specific test - to be obtuse if I was given an IQ test in Norwegian I'd get almost all of it wrong as I'd not understand the instructions which is a language barrier not my innate cognition.

Indeed, but I'm ignoring that* part so I can hear Frags answer as to how big the IQ difference has to be in order to be noticeable.

*along with the rest of the "what does IQ even mean?"-debate

[Sarmatian]

42.

[Fragony]

Indeed, but I'm ignoring that* part so I can hear Frags answer as to how big the IQ difference has to be in order to be noticeable.

*along with the rest of the "what does IQ even mean?"-debate

The difference is substantial, but you also only have to look at the level of education, vmbo is lowest although there are multiple levels, but they just are a rare sight om the higher levels.

[Husar]

The difference is substantial, but you also only have to look at the level of education, vmbo is lowest although there are multiple levels, but they just are a rare sight om the higher levels.

It's astounding how people in war zones and poor areas with few available schools have a lack of education, isn't it?
And wasn't half the arab spring about educated youths who couldn't find (good) jobs in Northern Africa because the dictators we intelligent people had installed had ruined the economies?

[HoreTore]

The difference is substantial

I repeat:

What constitutes a substantial difference?