ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

[Fragony]

My dad is an Algerian with a double PhD in microbiology and virology.

But I'll make sure to tell him that he's retarded the next time I see him, thanks to his being "north-African".

Of course there are north-africans who do well, but not a lot. Not the avarage one, way behind. Do you deny that? Do you deny that there is an increased risk of physical and mental illness because of centuries of 'keeping it in the family'?

[Hax]

yeah, don't you think it's more likely there's an increased risk of mental illness because of +/- 200 years of colonialism which was often paired with the systematic castration of the countries' intellectual elite, finally followed by bloody wars of independence?

but nevermind guys, Fragony has got it all figured out. Let's just burn all scientific papers arguing for anything else and pelt them at incoming immigrants.

[Fragony]

yeah, don't you think it's more likely there's an increased risk of mental illness because of +/- 200 years of colonialism which was often paired with the systematic castration of the countryies' intellectual elite.

Never heard about that but I'll look it up. Whiping out the intellectuals in China didn't had any effect though, they are still very intelligent people.

Edit: Can't find anything, do you have a good link? Totally new to me.

[HoreTore]

You can check the IQ world-map for your question.

That ma is debunked junk science made by a eugenics fan who wants to sterilize dumb people. Remember the importance of checking your sources.

And it shows.

I asked you a specific question, and I want a specific answer:

How big does the IQ difference between two people have to be before you can tell there's a difference? IQ is measured in simple numbers, so you should have next to no problems giving an exact number. Or at least a possible range.

[rory_20_uk]

yeah, don't you think it's more likely there's an increased risk of mental illness because of +/- 200 years of colonialism which was often paired with the systematic castration of the countries' intellectual elite, finally followed by bloody wars of independence?

but nevermind guys, Fragony has got it all figured out. Let's just burn all scientific papers arguing for anything else and pelt them at incoming immigrants.

Most countries only the rich did well and everyone else was oppressed. There was no meritocracy anywhere else - poor people died the world over.
The "bloody" wars for independance were nothing compared to the slaughters since.

Mental illness is also subjective. Believing in someone born of a virgin who was impregnated by something that was partly what the virgin gave birth to, performed miracles, died and then was resurrected and hasn't been since seems pretty loopy - unless if is an allowed form.

[rory_20_uk]

How big does the IQ difference between two people have to be before you can tell there's a difference? IQ is measured in simple numbers, so you should have next to no problems giving an exact number. Or at least a possible range.

IQ tests only show how good you are at that specific test - to be obtuse if I was given an IQ test in Norwegian I'd get almost all of it wrong as I'd not understand the instructions which is a language barrier not my innate cognition.

I'd estimate 10-15 points.

[HoreTore]

IQ tests only show how good you are at that specific test - to be obtuse if I was given an IQ test in Norwegian I'd get almost all of it wrong as I'd not understand the instructions which is a language barrier not my innate cognition.

Indeed, but I'm ignoring that* part so I can hear Frags answer as to how big the IQ difference has to be in order to be noticeable.

*along with the rest of the "what does IQ even mean?"-debate

[Sarmatian]

42.

[Fragony]

Indeed, but I'm ignoring that* part so I can hear Frags answer as to how big the IQ difference has to be in order to be noticeable.

*along with the rest of the "what does IQ even mean?"-debate

The difference is substantial, but you also only have to look at the level of education, vmbo is lowest although there are multiple levels, but they just are a rare sight om the higher levels.

[Husar]

The difference is substantial, but you also only have to look at the level of education, vmbo is lowest although there are multiple levels, but they just are a rare sight om the higher levels.

It's astounding how people in war zones and poor areas with few available schools have a lack of education, isn't it?
And wasn't half the arab spring about educated youths who couldn't find (good) jobs in Northern Africa because the dictators we intelligent people had installed had ruined the economies?

[HoreTore]

The difference is substantial

I repeat:

What constitutes a substantial difference?

[Fragony]

It's astounding how people in war zones and poor areas with few available schools have a lack of education, isn't it?
And wasn't half the arab spring about educated youths who couldn't find (good) jobs in Northern Africa because the dictators we intelligent people had installed had ruined the economies?

They lived here for 3 generations. They aren't refugees. Third generation performs just as badly as the second. Even worse really.

[Fragony]

I repeat:

What constitutes a substantial difference?

Ffs I told you where to find it


http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-conte...Inequality.png

Don't this site just googled

[HoreTore]

lol.

First things first: that's not an answer. I asked you what specifically constitutes a significant and noticeable IQ difference, not what you think the IQ around the world is. Ie. a straight up number. Is 1 IQ point difference noticeable? 5? 10? 20? 50?

Secondly, and most hilariously: Your site uses a celtic cross as an icon. First red flag. The categories of the site is listed at the top, and includes the following categories:

- Featured stories
- World
- US
- Race War (2nd red flag)
- Society
- Jewish Problem (3rd)
- Insight
- Sci/Tech

The six featured stories on the site have the following headlines:
"White Lesbian Suing Sperm Bank for Impregnating Her with a Black Child"
"Jews Cry Antisemitism as Belguim Moves to Ban Animal Torture"
"Video Shows Broad Daylight Armed Assault Against White Family in South Africa"
"Black Terror Lord Jacob Zuma Vows to Defend the Jews"
"Nick Griffin Expelled from the BNP"
"In America, Jews Push Gun Control. Meanwhile, in Israel…


Congratulations Frags, you just managed to (attempt to) back up your totally-not-racist claims by linking to a genuine, full-blown Nazi site.

Well played, sir, well played.

[Fragony]

Picked the first I could find, don't know the site.

Google will show you a lot more

[HoreTore]

Picked the first I could find, don't know the site.

Google will show you a lot more

Yes, and when this information is widely reproduced by various neo-nazi websites, that doesn't tell you anything about the quality of the information? Lynn is bunk, get over it.

You still have not answered the simple question of how big the difference in IQ has to be before you notice a difference in the person.

I'm beginning to think you don't have an answer to this....

[Hax]

Never heard about that but I'll look it up. Whiping out the intellectuals in China didn't had any effect though, they are still very intelligent people.

Edit: Can't find anything, do you have a good link? Totally new to me.

cf. Algerian War for Independence.

Most countries only the rich did well and everyone else was oppressed. There was no meritocracy anywhere else - poor people died the world over.
The "bloody" wars for independance were nothing compared to the slaughters since.

Definitely agree with the first part, but colonialism tends to also have some negative effects on the native population, especially during the era of nationalism.

[Fragony]

I just refuse to believe that you didn't know a site with that name would harbor some rather specific prejudices.

I just searched on google images, was not intentional

@HoreTore, answer is easy, performance. If a group performs (much) worse on school. But is also much more criminal, much more prone to mental diseases. Nobody denies that here, it are in fact social-workers who want the best for them who are ringing the alarm-bells, a lot of the criminal youths have a very low IQ, and often various psychosis

Fair game, girls are doing much better, but are still way behind Dutch girls.

[Sarmatian]

I just searched on google images, was not intentional

@HoreTore, answer is easy, performance. If a group performs (much) worse on school. But is also much more criminal, much more prone to mental diseases. Nobody denies that here, it are in fact social-workers who want the best for them who are ringing the alarm-bells, a lot of the criminal youths have a very low IQ, and often various psychosis

Fair game, girls are doing much better, but are still way behind Dutch girls.

They are behind because they come from different backgrounds. I see the same thing with Roma kids in Serbia. They lack proper environment in their early childhood so they are already lagging behind a lot when they start school. They need extra attention, which isn't always available, but if they do get it, most of the time they catch up in a few years.

The smaller number of Roma kids that do have normal environment in their early childhood on average perform the same as other kids.

[HoreTore]

@HoreTore, answer is easy

Then you should have no problems giving a straight answer. For example, is 1 IQ point enough to make a difference? What about 10?

[Husar]

Then you should have no problems giving a straight answer. For example, is 1 IQ point enough to make a difference? What about 10?

You have asked him this several times in various forms now. Either he does not want to answer this, or, in a strange twist on the given topic, maybe he cannot answer this because he lacks the IQ to understand the question. In school he would certainly not get a good grade for failing to answer the question five times and on IQ tests it would be a serious downgrade.

So Fragony, what is it now?

[Fragony]

You have asked him this several times in various forms now. Either he does not want to answer this, or, in a strange twist on the given topic, maybe he cannot answer this because he lacks the IQ to understand the question. In school he would certainly not get a good grade for failing to answer the question five times and on IQ tests it would be a serious downgrade.

So Fragony, what is it now?

The first thing that comes to mind is me having an uncomfortable take on things. A take on things that is offensive. I understand all that, and admittingly I talk too much in contempt. But at least I am not in denial when it comes to some things.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The day I can read the validity and reliability tests that demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that someone has developed a culture-neutral measurement instrument for IQ, then we can start considering these kinds of comparatives.

Until that point, we are more or less trying to calculate the weight of a bag of oranges using a meter stick.

[HoreTore]

The first thing that comes to mind is me having an uncomfortable take on things. A take on things that is offensive. I understand all that, and admittingly I talk too much in contempt. But at least I am not in denial when it comes to some things.

This is nothing more than an attempt to avoid a direct question. I'll try again:

How large does the difference in IQ have to be in order to get a noticeable difference between 2 persons?



By the way, I know this question has an answer. I am not asking questions that have no answers here.

[Husar]

The first thing that comes to mind is me having an uncomfortable take on things. A take on things that is offensive. I understand all that, and admittingly I talk too much in contempt. But at least I am not in denial when it comes to some things.

So when you never answer a specific question and reply to a quote with something that has absolutely no relevance to the question you quoted, you call that "talking too much in contempt"? I call that either an inability to come up with a proper response or changing the topic the entire time because you do not want to leave the territory you feel comfortable on, which so far is only the realm of very vague generalizations that you can only back up using vague links to nazi sites.

To be quite frank, to some extent HoreTore makes you look like a fool because he asked for a number somewhere around five times now and you always give him vague text in return. You made it worse yourself by saying the answer is simple and then not giving an answer that fits his question. If you think it is easy to answer his question, why did you not do it until now?

[Fragony]

This is nothing more than an attempt to avoid a direct question. I'll try again:

How large does the difference in IQ have to be in order to get a noticeable difference between 2 persons?



By the way, I know this question has an answer. I am not asking questions that have no answers here.

You allready got my answer, you just don't like my answer.

[HoreTore]

You allready got my answer, you just don't like my answer.

No.

You showed me a map (supposedly) showing varying levels of IQ around the world.

You have not told me what level of difference is necessary before you actually notice this difference. You may use the map if you prefer that over numbers(though I don't see why).

For example, is the slightly darker blue of Italy enough of a difference to notice a difference between Italy and Germany? What about Russias slightly lighter blue than Poland? Cameroons darker shade of red compared to Nigeria? Or will you only notice it when you go from colour to colour, ie. UK's blue versus Ghana's red?

And what is the difference between the colours, in numbers?


By the way, the average IQ on a dutch IQ test is 100, not 105. If it's anything but 100 in any country, the test is wrong.

[HopAlongBunny]

We take a break from this regularly scheduled rant to return to topic:

For what its worth, Canada is in:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/isis...sion-1.2787231

The whole strategy seems to hinge on the locals being up to the combat side of the mission. Just wondering, did the Kurds ever actually get the weapons they were promised? (you know, to put them on some kind of parity with ISIS?)

[Pannonian]

We take a break from this regularly scheduled rant to return to topic:

For what its worth, Canada is in:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/isis...sion-1.2787231

The whole strategy seems to hinge on the locals being up to the combat side of the mission. Just wondering, did the Kurds ever actually get the weapons they were promised? (you know, to put them on some kind of parity with ISIS?)

Can't they take them from the Iraqi army like everyone else does? Rout an Iraqi unit or two, take their weapons...

[Fragony]

Chop chop cut *gurggle* another day another head. War-reporters know the risk but this man was there to help. Even Al Quaida asked for his release. Rest in peace in pieces.

Meh, savages.