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[Fragony]

If inbreeding is such an issue. You must think Finland being the worst country in Europe as 80% of Finnish genes are from single North European population and from modern nationalities Finns are closest to Cro- Magnons in terms of anthropological measurements.
We also have largest percentage of light eyes and light hair colour in our population, so the so called "European" features seem to imply directly at inbreeding. Damned shame if i would give 5 cents about eugenics. No...just no.

Love that those light-blue in your eyes. Awesome.

But there are no cousin-marriages in Finland, not a significantly lot of them. I am sure will be dig up an example of where it did happen as an argument to end all arguments, but it just isn't as common, except for the aristocraty.

[Kadagar_AV]

IQ tests between nations have shown quite big differences. For various reasons.

Culture is however still a much larger factor when it comes to, well, pretty much anything.

In Sweden we have, as an example, seen that Somalis is very hard to integrate into a western modern society. Specially when compared to, say, East Asians at large.

Culture aside, I wouldn't be one single bit surprised if Somalis quite frankly were more stupid at large. I'm not the only teacher banging my head against the wall in frustration after every lesson where I have to try to teach a somali math.


To be quite logical about it... Wouldn't be scientifically more or less impossible for groups living apart and under different living conditions for tens or hundreds of thousands of years to evolve identically?

[HoreTore]

Nope, as we have both evolved on the same earth. Further, we have not been living apart for "hundreds of thousands of years"(bottlenecked ca 50k years ago). We have not lived apart long enough to evolve in any meaningful way. Evolution is a long, long process.

And if you want to go with evolution, you would have to show evidence of why intelligence mattered more to the caveman in the woods of Europe than it does in the jungles of Africa with a gazillion more things capable of killing the unwary. Good luck with that.

Love that those light-blue in your eyes. Awesome.

But there are no cousin-marriages in Finland, not a significantly lot of them. I am sure will be dig up an example of where it did happen as an argument to end all arguments, but it just isn't as common, except for the aristocraty.

Cousin-marriage is common in all rural populations. It gradually disappears with urbanization. It didn't become uncommon in Europe until after ww2, when mass production sped up the urbanization.

[Kadagar_AV]

Nope, as we have both evolved on the same earth

It just took one damn sentence to show how ridiculous your line of thinking is.

You mean that species on the same damn PLANET EARTH can't evolve differently under different settings? You mean that evolution somehow would go against everything we know of evolution?

We have grown apart physically, did you notice? Black skin, white skin, thick hair, thin hair, blue eyes, brown eyes... But you are adamant that mental differences is just IMPOSSIBLE, even though anything else would be strange given the situations, and eventhough tests clearly show differences?

You are a VERY good socialist, North Korea material I dare say.

This, ladies and gentlemen, shown an understanding of evolution that is worth exactly minus 17 points out of a 1000 possible.

[HoreTore]

I am completely unsurprised by your inability to offer an explanation of how high intelligence would benefit a European, but not an African. You can explain skin colour by pointing at the sun. Nice try, but it can't be compared to intelligence in any way whatsoever. One is a simple response to the environment, the other is a complex interaction with the environment. In this regard, we do indeed live on the same earth.

Lrn2evolution

Further, I have not claimed that mental differences through evolution is "IMPOSSIBLE".

Lrn2read



AND REMEMBER THAT EVERYTHING BECOMES TRUE IF ITS WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS

[Kralizec]

Dogs probably diverged from wolves around 30.000 years ago when humans started domesticating them. Dog breeds certainly exhibit large variations in appearance, behaviour and intelligence. But dogs have been artificially selected for it, and have much shorter reproduction cycles than humans.

So while I'm admittedly not an expert on the subject or even a well-read layman, 50.000 years does seem like a short time in human evolution.

Skin color, hair and such are all superficial characteristics fit for clearly identifyable environmental conditions; like sun expousre. Conversely, what would be the environmental condition that encourages or discourages intelligence for humans? Dit European cavemen spend a lot of time solving sudoku puzzles?

[Kadagar_AV]

I am completely unsurprised by your inability to offer an explanation of how high intelligence would benefit a European, but not an African. You can explain skin colour by pointing at the sun. Nice try, but it can't be compared to intelligence in any way whatsoever. One is a simple response to the environment, the other is a complex interaction with the environment. In this regard, we do indeed live on the same earth.

So... You basically completely disregard that "small" things such as having to stockpile food for the winter have any impact? You disregard that "small" things such as actually having to live through a winter with its cold might have any effect?

You basically make a moronic claim that Africa and the North have identical living conditions enough to give the same result in evolution?

Laughable.


Just the same as we have changed physically we have changed mentally, to think anything else is absurd and a clear example of intellectual dishonesty to adhere to a political standard set.

It's fun how multicultis such as you always, always, always have to weave in "complexity" in your arguments... as if saying something is to complex to be understood would be a reason not to try and understand it.

In truth, it's not very complex at all.

Sub-saharan people come off worse than white people in every single IQ test, and also show correspondingly weak results at society building efforts in the real life setting.

You seemingly often take pride in applying the ockham's Razor on problems, but on this particular issue you and many other like you refuse to use that scientific tool, and instead go with "it's complex".

I tell you, it really isn't.

[Kadagar_AV]

Dogs probably diverged from wolves around 30.000 years ago when humans started domesticating them. Dog breeds certainly exhibit large variations in appearance, behaviour and intelligence. But dogs have been artificially selected for it, and have much shorter reproduction cycles than humans.

So while I'm admittedly not an expert on the subject or even a well-read layman, 50.000 years does seem like a short time in human evolution.

Skin color, hair and such are all superficial characteristics fit for clearly identifyable environmental conditions; like sun expousre. Conversely, what would be the environmental condition that encourages or discourages intelligence for humans? Dit European cavemen spend a lot of time solving sudoku puzzles?

First wave out of Africa was some 120.000 years ago... Second wave was some 80.000 years ago. I think only second wave was successful, but we might have some overlap IIRC.

In 30.000 years we got wolves to range from Chihuahuas to St. Bernard.

You don't believe that we in 80.000 years might see some mental differences among us?

Again, laughable.

[HoreTore]

So... You basically completely disregard that "small" things such as having to stockpile food for the winter have any impact? You disregard that "small" things such as actually having to live through a winter with its cold might have any effect?

You basically make a moronic claim that Africa and the North have identical living conditions enough to give the same result in evolution?

Again:

lrn2read

I have claimed nothing of the sort. I am simply awaiting your explanation of why it requires more intelligence to stockpile food for a hard winter than it does to stockpile food for a hard drought, or why it requires more intelligence to withstand cold than it does to withstand blistering heat and a lack of water.



.....And this is all ignoring the fact that we don't know what intelligence is or what causes it. Assuming education has an impact, we can offer the following explanation: Africa has low access to education - a very easy explanation to any supposed(they are not proven) discrepancy in IQ would be that access to education determines IQ.

Easy-peasy. But not the answer the white power crowd wants, so I assume this will be ignored in the following post.

[Husar]

IIRC around 30-50% of your intelligence are decided in very early childhood when most of the basic links between brain cells are formed.
That has nothing to do with genetics, it's mostly about stimuli and those are probably more related to culture and other circumstances that children grow up in, certainly how much the parents explain to their children, show them the world and allow them to experiment and learn.

One doesn't just get born with a set of brain connections that make one stupid or clever, that's not how a brain works.

[HoreTore]

One doesn't just get born with a set of brain connections that make one stupid or clever, that's not how a brain works.

This is certainly true.

[Kadagar_AV]

Again:

lrn2read

I have claimed nothing of the sort. I am simply awaiting your explanation of why it requires more intelligence to stockpile food for a hard winter than it does to stockpile food for a hard drought, or why it requires more intelligence to withstand cold than it does to withstand blistering heat and a lack of water.



.....And this is all ignoring the fact that we don't know what intelligence is or what causes it. Assuming education has an impact, we can offer the following explanation: Africa has low access to education - a very easy explanation to any supposed(they are not proven) discrepancy in IQ would be that access to education determines IQ.

Easy-peasy. But not the answer the white power crowd wants, so I assume this will be ignored in the following post.

And I am awaiting your explanation why it would take the exact same intelligence to live in Africa as it would in the Western North.

We don't have the same animals, so SOME kind of adaptions have to have been made by us humans. If we could evolve identically the wildlife would mimic it, no? Just the simple fact that Northmen have to actually wear clothes has an impact.

The climates are NOTHING in the same. it's not the same game or plants, and it's not the same weather.

Also, it's not the same people and not the same culture, and that plays a HUGE part.


Again: Your basic premises is that a species would have evolved identically under very diffrerent conditions.

My basic premise is that species evolves differently under different conditions.

You have to be a VERY good socialist to not at some level of intellectuality start question your own basic premise.



Aaaaaaaaaaaaand then you go on with "we don't know what intelligence is"...

Again, socialists always lean back on some damn complexity issue instead of applying Ockham's Razor.

Ockham's Razor = Black people do less well on IQ tests and have shown to be less easy to incorporate in higher learning (even though efforts have been made to include them).

Ockham's razor then = Black people is less intelligent from the intelligence standard set by the modern society (albeit they may be more proficient at surviving lion attacks).

How many black Chess masters do we have? How many black Go masters? How many black experimental physicists? To say that this is all down to mere culture or repression is a joke, specially since we even have a black president.

Blacks today have societys complete permission and help to reach our intellects far boundaries... It's just that they seem to lack the mental tools to get there, if we look at pure results.

[Kadagar_AV]

One doesn't just get born with a set of brain connections that make one stupid or clever, that's not how a brain works.

Yes, environment plays a big role.

But to say that you don't get born stupid or clever...

Really?

No, really?

I mean, really?

That was the most absurd argument I have heard thus yet. Genetics DO play a ****ing HUGE role in modelling us, otherwise there wouldn't be a market for prize winning sperm.

Also we could just mate nilly-willy.

Oh c'mon Husar, you are better than this. This was just absurd.

EDIT: I'm not surprised HT agreed with this idiotic sentiment though.

[Husar]

Ockham's Razor = Black people do less well on IQ tests and have shown to be less easy to incorporate in higher learning (even though efforts have been made to include them).

Ockham's razor then = Black people is less intelligent from the intelligence standard set by the modern society (albeit they may be more proficient at surviving lion attacks).

Ockham's razor: Kadagar uses an equals sign in the middle of a sentence where it makes little sense -> Kadagar scores very low on the intelligence standard I just set (but he may be good at skiing).

Oh c'mon Husar, you are better than this. This was just absurd.

Ockham's razor: Kadagar finds the results of scientific studies absurd -> Kadagar is not very educated according to western standards of education (but he may be good at skiing).

[Kadagar_AV]

Ockham's razor: Kadagar uses an equals sign in the middle of a sentence where it makes little sense -> Kadagar scores very low on the intelligence standard I just set (but he may be good at skiing).

Dude...

Try to exchange the "equals sign" to the actual word "equals" and see if it doesn't make some kind of sense.

So far it looks like I beat you both at skiing and thinking.

Shame on you Husar, you are better than this.

You really are

[Strike For The South]

Every time some one says intelligence is race based, their race is always on top

Funny how that works.

[Kadagar_AV]

Every time some one says intelligence is race based, their race is always on top

Funny how that works.

I don't see many Jews or East Asians argumenting here?

You REALLY haven't read up on the issue, have you?

[Strike For The South]

I don't see many Jews or East Asians argumenting here?

You REALLY haven't read up on the issue, have you?

Quite frankly, I'd rather put a bullet in my head than sift through whatever half an abstract one Neo-Nazi website copy+pastes as fact.

The fact that "Africans" still passes a correct moniker for everyone south of Sahara should be proof enough of these myopic ideas. I still want to see the returns on what sort of long term societal benefit a ski instructor brings to the mighty white race, but I'm not holding my breath.

In any event, I eagerly await the day where Europeans begin hanging their minorities so we can come in and scoop up the good stuff....again. NASA part II!

[Kadagar_AV]

Quite frankly, I'd rather put a bullet in my head than sift through whatever half an abstract one Neo-Nazi website copy+pastes as fact.

The fact that "Africans" still passes a correct moniker for everyone south of Sahara should be proof enough of these myopic ideas. I still want to see the returns on what sort of long term societal benefit a ski instructor brings to the mighty white race, but I'm not holding my breath.

In any event, I eagerly await the day where Europeans begin hanging their minorities so we can come in and scoop up the good stuff....again. NASA part II!

Stop. Posting. Slobbering. Drunk.

[HopAlongBunny]

Interactive map on who is involved in the alliance against ISIS, and their contributions:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/int...731382476.html

[Husar]

Try to exchange the "equals sign" to the actual word "equals" and see if it doesn't make some kind of sense.

https://www.google.de/search?q=equal...=1920&bih=1092

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equals_sign

You gotta discuss that with google and Wikipedia I guess.

As for what actually equals Ockham's razor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

It states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove correct, but—in the absence of certainty—the fewer assumptions that are made, the better.

Now your posts contained just the words "Ockham's razor", followed by an equals sign (and the word "then" in one case) and then something you tried to pass off as fact, none of that makes sense. You do not present various hypotheses to choose from, you say nothing about what we already know and how many assumptions have to be made and neither do you explain why Ockham's razor should be applied here instead of another principle. Even that sentence from wiki says that Ockham's razor does not always result in a true hypothesis. But you ignore all that and put some hypothesis you personally like behind an equals sign as though that somehow made it true.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

It boils down to metrology folks. We have no "intelligence" tool that can directly compare individuals or groups of individuals. Without a direct comparative tool, all there can be is opinions and beliefs.

Prima facia, Kadagar's assertion that different climatological, experiential, and cultural regimens could result in significant phenotypic variation within the species is not without merit. On the other hand, we have no tool with which to determine if any measurable difference exists. Even if such a difference does exist, we do not have enough reliable data to determine its statistical significance.

Kadagar: None of the IQ tests you refer to can be seen as "culture neutral." They have yet to write an IQ measurement tool that is -- for that matter arguments continue as to what aspects of intelligence need to be measured to capture "intelligence" in a single definition. Chess and Go masters, in addition to both being exposed to cultural bias assertions )(and corruption; the chess organization makes FIFA look totally above board), are at one remove from "intelligence." At best, we can show a strong correlation between master's status in chess and classic western "book learning" definitions of intelligence.

We don't have the "meter stick" we need to prove or disprove your argument.

Sadly, I suspect we will have #D-printed complex organs in general usage long before such a measure for intelligence exists.

[Montmorency]

If we take intelligence to be behavioral, then item bias becomes trivial as the focus is on outcome, regardless of whether and to what extent results come as a consequence of innate or acquired abilities.

The problem then is not one of cultural bias, but whether IQ (and other) tests can provide a representative sampling of "intellectual functioning" (given some veridical definition of "intelligence") for any individual at all.

[Fragony]

Turkey IS https://mobile.twitter.com/KekHamo/s...69451959525376

Kurds go the hell. Wait they are already there

[Montmorency]

I think whoever figures out Fragony Paradox will have solved the intelligence puzzle.

Fragony is the key to everything.

[Fragony]

Rumour: explosion at nuclair facility in Iran.

What a mess this is. My thoughts are with the Kurds who are fighting in Kabone, a cruel fate awaits them if these butchers get the best of them.

Saw a picture of a woman, beheaded, her spine somehow still dangling under it. What the hell did they do to her, cut in circles and janked it out? Sooooo sickening.

Allahu hakbar. I can only hope that it's true that these sick are right about getting 78 virgins and it turns out they became teachers at a school for toddlers.

[Fragony]

Maybe that's my fetish?

lol missed this one.



And sorry Crossloper, but you will allways get the same answer for the same question unless somebody changes his mind. And there just isn't anything that does that.

[Fragony]

Kewl, clashes between people with culture and kurds 'we kill you in Iraq and we kill you here'

Germany 2014.

But of course multiculture was the best idea ever.We can really learn from eachother

Way to go lefties

[Shaka_Khan]

IIRC around 30-50% of your intelligence are decided in very early childhood when most of the basic links between brain cells are formed.
That has nothing to do with genetics, it's mostly about stimuli and those are probably more related to culture and other circumstances that children grow up in, certainly how much the parents explain to their children, show them the world and allow them to experiment and learn.

One doesn't just get born with a set of brain connections that make one stupid or clever, that's not how a brain works.

Sadly, a lot of the kids aren't blessed with parents who enjoy explaining to them. Their parents get very impatient and the kids learn quickly not to ask questions to their parents again.

[Kagemusha]

Isis is advancing at Kobane at Syrian Turkish border and has now one third of the city under its thumb. Once again this shows that air superiority is not everything. Now US is trying its best to get Turkey to send land forces, but i doubt Turks arent thrilled about fighting alongside the Kurdish peshmerga, so it might be that Turkey will not agree to do as US wishes.