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    I'm going to ignore kadagar because 3600 posts has persuaded me that nothing I can say can ever peirce that thick skull.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    For hundreds of years before Muhammad's time most of the civilized world set the marriagable age at 12 (including Romans and the Catholic Church).
    Of which mohammed had little contact with before marrying said 9 year old.
    The idea of not sexually abusing children isn't some 21st century innovation.
    No, but a widespread idea of having an age of consent above 13 is less than 200 years old.
    Plus, if Muhammad wasn't attracted to her then why would he consummate the marriage?
    Because pre modern marriages werent considered official until consumation, and mohammed was marrying her to gain the loyalty of her father, the man who among other things would become his sucessor in ruling the islamic empire.
    It may have been normal within the culture of exploitation that Muhammad lived in, but the systematic nature of the abuse in society doesn't change the fact that individual abusers are still responsible for their actions.
    Hypothetical: In 1400 years mankind will have all but completely abolished the consumption of meat, that small population that continue the practice do so underground and are considered disgusting and against nature by 99% of humanity. Now, is it fair for the humans of 3400AD to condemn all the hundreds of thousands of people who were born and raised to consider meat eating to demonising, regardless of thier accomplisments just because what was considered innocuous at the time was reevaluated as evil millenia later?

    And please dont insult our intelligence by saying meat eating is natural and paedophillia is not, both happen all over the animal kingdom.
    Regardless of any disneyesque preconceptions nature can be equally disgusting at times as mankind; the only difference is that mankind is universally able and expected to restrain itself (save for the severely mentally ill), but humans will only restrain themselves if they know they should, and they are primarily taught to do so by family and society, which mohammed almost certainly was not.
    And whatever Muhammad's culture may have taught, the fact is that to commit the act, he had to overcome all those natural human urges to protect children and to respect the principle of consent, and he also must have fostered some sort of unnatural sexual attraction to a pre-pubescent body.
    It is highly debatable that the natural human urges comes from instinct instead of following familial and societal examples. As for respecting the principle of consent, the entire political right wing puts the kibosh on the idea that it is a universal human instinct.
    Last edited by Greyblades; 11-22-2014 at 19:01.
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