ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

[Brenus]

Frag, Danish have to stop to be rude, you'd know... First you ask if you can, if you don't, you have to prepare to die. And no, it is nothing to do with a religion, it is just hundred of lone wolves...

[Kadagar_AV]

Is it just me, or does muslims seem to be extremely over-represented when it comes to terrorism?

Would it be so unthinkable to argue that there is something rotten in the religion itself?

[Husar]

I think family fathers are incredibly over-represented when it comes to hiding young girls as sex slaves in the basement, maybe something should be done against family fathers.
Denmark has a national tragedy because two people were shot and New York celebrates if noone gets murdered for eleven days. Then again, New York has more inhabitants than Denmark, maybe that has something to do with it.
I wouldn't say I'm in favor of terrorism, but if you think the number of muslims who kill someone in the west should make you scared of muslims, then the number of family members who kill or abuse someone in the west should make you terrified of your family members.

[Fragony]

Is it just me, or does muslims seem to be extremely over-represented when it comes to terrorism?

Would it be so unthinkable to argue that there is something rotten in the religion itself?

Of course not, gutmensch nows, for a fact, that it has absolutilly nothing to do with islam. How could you even suggest that it is a fatatalist ideoligy of people who are stuck in 1400. Culltures wouldn't be equal wtf.

[Husar]

Of course not, gutmensch nows, for a fact, that it has absolutilly nothing to do with islam. How could you even suggest that it is a fatatalist ideoligy of people who are stuck in 1400. Culltures wouldn't be equal wtf.

You're in the process of creating a new language I think, if this goes on, noone will be able to read your posts in a year or two.
I'm aware that language changes over time, but you're too fast for the rest of us.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

You're in the process of creating a new language I think, if this goes on, noone will be able to read your posts in a year or two.
I'm aware that language changes over time, but you're too fast for the rest of us.

Actually, I understood Frag perfectly - that's the most coherent sentence he's written in a while.

Anyway, to answer Kad, I have been saying for several years that Islam has a problem not being top dog. This is why the Pakistanis wanted their own Muslim-run country, why the president of Turkey tried to claim Muslims discovered America first and why gunmen assaulted the offices of Charlie Hebdo over some silly, and frankly unfunny, cartoons.

[Brenus]

"I think family fathers are incredibly over-represented when it comes to hiding young girls as sex slaves in the basement, maybe something should be done against family fathers." Sure, however there nothing in a book about family fathers saying that it is fair to have sex slaves. In fact, I am am quite sure that it is said you shouldn't have sex slaves. I know it because last week we had one grand-father who raped his grand-daughter sentenced for 18 years imprisonment at the Crown Court.
It is too easy to make parallel like this (60 % of violence against women are by their partners, mostly males. Most of pedophiles attacks are by relatives and close family friends). These are smoke screens, diversions of a real problem.
Acknowledgment of the Muslim Religion having trouble with it commands (some of them) is the first step to overcome the problem. Not by few scholars, but by the majority of the followers. Not that the vast majority of the followers would be terrorists, but they think that the terrorists have some grounds. And even some none Muslims agree on this. We shouldn't be rude, we shouldn't hurt their feelings, we shouldn't criticised or mocked their beliefs. Why?
Until these "exceptions" or "lone wolves" will not be recognised as exceptions but as products of the religions, the pure applications of religious laws coming from the book (holly one), so the recognition that the Holly Book has to be amended, the Muslims Scholars won't be able to do just that.

"and frankly unfunny, cartoons" Not relevant, as they were not made to be funny. They were against superstitions and religious claims to be exempt of criticism and untouchable to reason. I want to keep the right to say, to be able to say, that the idea of Mohamed getting on a winged horse to go to Paradise is absurd, or Jesus walking on waters, or graves opening and thousands of dead raising from them.

[Papewaio]

In Australia our PM is trying to distract as much as possible from domestic policy by bringing up the threat of terrorism.

However most of us are in more danger from sugar and pastries then machetes and bombs.

[Husar]

Actually, I understood Frag perfectly - that's the most coherent sentence he's written in a while.

It was less the sentence structure and more the letters he added to random words along the way.

And Brenus, most people don't like it when their beliefs are attacked, the problem is that some react to it in a violent way.
Proper Christians also won't like it when you mock Jesus, when I first saw the Life of Brian, I didn't want to laught about it at all.
The difference is mostly in the response. Christianity has mostly rooted out the interpretations that used to allow a violent response but Islam isn't quite there yet and the countries where most of the terrorists come from are quite a bit behind in terms of society development as they still have strong tribal structures etc. That's where I would look for the reason, not in whether people have become masochistic enough that they enjoy it when you insult and mock their core beliefs. Some atheists think the best way to proceed is to always be a butthole, but I quite frankly don't like those types a lot either. If someone says the right things to me, I'll also punch him in the face, and I never read the quran.

[Brenus]

"If someone says the right things to me, I'll also punch him in the face, and I never read the quran." And you will be rightly put in front of a Court for Assault by Beating. I don't suppose you will claim immunity for it, nor your right to do so. Or expect your victim to keep still during the attack, and to agree with it.
As your second statement, I agree. So the problem is within the Muslim Religion as it would be very difficult to point one action of IS to be against the Quran.
"Some atheists think the best way to proceed is to always be a butthole" Yeah, because the acceptation of unacceptable behavior lead to what? More demands, more "hurt in feelings" demands. I was once told you can't demand respect, you earn it. And until the Muslim Religion earn the right to be respected for other reason than fear, I won't take it any more. The followers of Islam will have to accept criticism and to have their beliefs ridiculed as all others religions, values systems and superstitions did, including mine.
Some "values" in the Quran, as inequality in gender, racism (in a broad sense) and aggression can't be accepted by modern societies. Period.