ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

**CrossLOPER** · 03-05-2015, 02:05

Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

You want a piece of land in the middle of a hostile region?

He has bizarre ideas like that, yes. Sort of like a Lamarckian inheritance approach to foreign policy where if you ram your head against a wall repeatedly, that your offspring will eventually have hard heads or something, not taking into account that the wall's offspring will be a lot more harder to knock down.

Is this making any sense?

**Kadagar_AV** · 03-05-2015, 02:16

Swedish news report that the Iraqi army is about to do a major offensive...

Swedish media also report that the US is against it, as it's to weak as is, and will most likely lead to a loss for Iraq, and a huge propaganda win for ISIS...

From what I have learnt of the Iraqi army... I wouldnt bet any money on them being able to do much...

**Fragony** · 03-05-2015, 06:40

ya bad idea, suppossed a lot of former elite troops they are up against

**Brenus** · 03-05-2015, 08:51

IS combatants are the same than the Iraqis' ones. If the Iraqis'ones got the right motivation (having family in the ISIS controlled area, or their relatives sold as slaves), they will kill them all then ISIS will just crumble.
That will be a shame for the foreign volunteers, to find out they will be abandoned to their Faith, and I am not expecting the locals to be merciful.
The Jihadi brides... will pay a high price for stupidity...

**Kagemusha** · 03-05-2015, 16:10

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Swedish news report that the Iraqi army is about to do a major offensive...

Swedish media also report that the US is against it, as it's to weak as is, and will most likely lead to a loss for Iraq, and a huge propaganda win for ISIS...

From what I have learnt of the Iraqi army... I wouldnt bet any money on them being able to do much...

Its the same attack i posted about. US is against it, because there is a Iranian general overseeing the offensive and lot of Iranian "advisors" are operating many of the more advanced weapon systems. My concern about this is how the Shia militants will behave towards Sunni civilians. Apparently 28K people have fled the fighting already.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31753727

**Kadagar_AV** · 03-05-2015, 20:32

So... Anyone want to bet?

I know its hard in Arab vs Arab fights, as it's hard to fully grasp the military incompetence if you come from the western world with it's mindset...

ONE of the forces will flee like rabbits and leave all their equipment for use by the other side, I am sure. I put my money on it being the Iraqi army...

So... Anyone want to play?

**Kagemusha** · 03-05-2015, 20:54

My bet is that the forces of "Iraqi Army", while the actual force is made mostly of Shia militants and Iranian forces is going to win the battle over Tikrit.

IS has lost its momentum and is starting to grumble, they are only making more and more enemies with their conduct and simply cant win with the odds stacked against them. Which for the best for everyone. Im not sure if IS can actually run anywhere from Tikrit, as their supply routes are being cut off and they might find themselves surrounded soon enough.

**Pannonian** · 03-05-2015, 21:39

Originally Posted by Kagemusha

My bet is that the forces of "Iraqi Army", while the actual force is made mostly of Shia militants and Iranian forces is going to win the battle over Tikrit.

IS has lost its momentum and is starting to grumble, they are only making more and more enemies with their conduct and simply cant win with the odds stacked against them. Which for the best for everyone. Im not sure if IS can actually run anywhere from Tikrit, as their supply routes are being cut off and they might find themselves surrounded soon enough.

I'm not sure which scenario would be best for our interests. That the IS should get snuffed out ASAP. Or that it should maintain a slim communications corridor so that disaffected Muslims in the west can make their way there in time to get blatted. A long running war with us sitting out might do the trick.

**GenosseGeneral** · 03-05-2015, 22:16

Originally Posted by Pannonian

I'm not sure which scenario would be best for our interests. That the IS should get snuffed out ASAP. Or that it should maintain a slim communications corridor so that disaffected Muslims in the west can make their way there in time to get blatted. A long running war with us sitting out might do the trick.

Well, there is still Libya as a potential place to be for the global Djihadi elite.
Although, from my knowledge, the main problem we Europeans have with Djihadis going to Syria is not them fighting there, but returning here. After 2 years spent cutting off peoples' heads in front of cameras. Ask the French about how great it is when these people continue their business here.

**Fragony** · 03-06-2015, 07:41

Originally Posted by Pannonian

I'm not sure which scenario would be best for our interests. That the IS should get snuffed out ASAP. Or that it should maintain a slim communications corridor so that disaffected Muslims in the west can make their way there in time to get blatted. A long running war with us sitting out might do the trick.

That would certainly be the best for us at least, kinda cynical. What should have been done and still hasn't been done, making sure they can't come back, or have nothing to come back to should they manage to come back anyway.