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    Shifting goal posts won't help you. It is entirely obvious that the Russians are helping Assad, he is a Russian ally after all. Your point was that they're aiding the IS in the end but they're actually just aiding Assad. Though whether Assad can stay in power after this may remain to be seen. Even if the IS can take a few meters from other rebel groups due to Russian attacks, guess who will be attacked by the Russians in the next wave of attacks?

    And why should Russia help other nations support their favorite rebels? When was the last time some other nation did something like that for Russia?
    No, my point is and was that by having the aim of strengthening Assad as their first priority, they risk making IS stronger instead of weakening it.

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    If you want to weaken IS, starting by attacking their enemies is not a good idea.
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    They are the ones on Assad's doorstep - IS is not.
    Regime forces have front lines with IS many places. E.g. at Palmyra, from where there is IS control all the way to Raqqah as well as to the border with Iraq.
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    No, my point is and was that by having the aim of strengthening Assad as their first priority, they risk making IS stronger instead of weakening it.

    Regime forces have front lines with IS many places. E.g. at Palmyra, from where there is IS control all the way to Raqqah as well as to the border with Iraq.
    Russia is bombing everyone who is not Assad.
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    Fight a war on one front if possible.

    First step finish off the other fronts.

    Hence Russia attacks the rebels
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    Default Re: ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

    And look at that:

    ISIS Makes Gains in Syria Territory Bombed by Russia

    BEIRUT, Lebanon — The Islamic State registered significant gains on Friday in the area of northwestern Syria that Russian warplanes have been bombing, taking six villages near Aleppo and threatening to cut off an important route north to the Turkish border. Late in the day, there were reports that rebels had reasserted control in one village.

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    “Daesh has exploited the Russian airstrikes and the preoccupation of the Free Syrian Army in its battles in Hama, and advanced in Aleppo,” one rebel commander told Reuters.
    Just needs some independent verification.

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    Fight a war on one front if possible.

    First step finish off the other fronts.

    Hence Russia attacks the rebels
    Question is if the regime forces have enough strength left to beat an enemy at one front; let alone more fronts after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    And look at that:

    ISIS Makes Gains in Syria Territory Bombed by Russia



    Just needs some independent verification.



    Question is if the regime forces have enough strength left to beat an enemy at one front; let alone more fronts after that.
    The advance had already begun before the airstrikes. The moderate salafists of FSA and Al-Nusra are paying the price for concentrating their forces against the real enemy, the Shia, the Christians and the secular Syrians. After all, no airstrikes have been made against the moderate Salafists of the region.

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    Sources, please.
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    No, my point is and was that by having the aim of strengthening Assad as their first priority, they risk making IS stronger instead of weakening it.
    So your point is still BS then.
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    Funny, but Putin said it in his UN speech: He supports Assad.
    USA and EU (EU not really important now) disagree as they support "moderate" rebels that few week ago were an army of 5 but still holding vast amount of territory for the Russian to be be able, first to find them, then to bomb them.
    USA is losing control of the situation...
    For USA & EU, the first target was Assad because in reality, they can get rid of ISIL.
    The problem now is, what if Russia succeed (reason why propaganda & media campaign about Russian missiles hitting the wrong country, which is a little bit too much when the US Air Force just destroyed an hospital, but there)?
    What is the Syrian army really succeeded to retake some part of territory, or even worst, routs out ISIL and others?
    We all investigate and question the situation if Russia become bog-down, which some of us wish, but what if Russia win?
    The images of a group of men firing AK 47 on the Hind made me laugh, but what if the US decide like they did in Afghanistan than to defeat Russia is more important that to defeat Muslim fanatic extremists and murderers, and as in Afghanistan, provide them with anti-aircraft missiles?
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    We all investigate and question the situation if Russia become bog-down, which some of us wish, but what if Russia win?

    For 5 years NO COUNTRY has been able to effectively stem ISIL's expansion. And Russia by sending a score of SU's and MIG's and launching a score of rockets will? It will take a more serious involvement and an international scale land operation to defeat them military-wise. However, even this type if victory will not eradicate the phenomenon completely as new shoots will sprout elsewhere.
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    How effective Russian propaganda is:
    September 29: 69% of Russians oppose Russia's military involvement in Syria
    http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-.../27277333.html
    October 8: more than 70% of Russians support air strikes against terrorists in Syria
    https://www.rt.com/politics/317988-o...t-of-russians/
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    "For 5 years NO COUNTRY has been able to effectively stem ISIL's expansion. And Russia by sending a score of SU's and MIG's and launching a score of rockets will? It will take a more serious involvement and an international scale land operation to defeat them military-wise. However, even this type if victory will not eradicate the phenomenon completely as new shoots will sprout elsewhere." That is not the question. What if Russia win? Will USA sell the Stringer as they did to the Talibans? Will USA and EU accept to be out-maneuvered?
    Even under the drunk Boris Yeltsin and a very damage Russian Army, the Chechen were defeated, if not completely, they were not able to gain independence. Ukraine is the result of a complete disaster in Western Intelligence Agencies in assessing Russian capacity and reaction.

    So, what if?
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    Apparently after the latest shipments to Syria there is now about 1000 Spetnaz and paratroopers already in Syria. Though these fellows are most likely there to support the air operations, lazing targets etc from the ground.
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    Default Re: ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    What if Russia win?
    Specify, what you would consider a victory for Russia. Assad taking Homs or any other important city? Well, there are other cities he will have to take. The disappearance of any opposition to Assad? With the West's attitude it is a priori inachievable. The disappearance of ISIS? See above. The withdrawal of ISIS from Syria? They can return any time later. The withdrawal of the West/the USA from Middle East? Impossible.
    So specify, please.
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