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[Kadagar_AV]

Hitler had the majority control the media, how well did that turn out!?!?!?!?

Godwin aside, wouldn't one expect the typical jewish media mogul to have a problem with muslim immigrants and the muslim immigrants to complain about the jews controlling the media? And would that not both make them fit the stereotypes many have of them and make them your allies in the argument against the other group respectively? And wouldn't that be weird or is that just me thinking so?

Oh and what if they don't mind eachother?

You don't find it bad enough that a minority control the majority of media? I mean, do we really have to take the discussion further than that?

I've heard other reasonings as to why it's bad... But I'm no expert on it, heck, I'm not even interested.


Let's turn it around, why SHOULD a religious minority control the absolute majority of conventional media in a secular country?

I mean, the obvious thing would be that media portrays the lay of the land. Why do you advocate something else?

[Beskar]

You don't find it bad enough that a minority control the majority of media? I mean, do we really have to take the discussion further than that?

The top 1% control 40% of the Worlds wealth. Viva-la-revolution!

But seriously, if you really think the 'jew' all have an entire agenda and in each others pockets, then you need to smell it and quickly realise it is like saying you, Viking and HoreTore are in bed together with Sigurd, because you are Scandinavians.

[Kadagar_AV]

The top 1% control 40% of the Worlds wealth. Viva-la-revolution!

But seriously, if you really think the 'jew' all have an entire agenda and in each others pockets, then you need to smell it and quickly realise it is like saying you, Viking and HoreTore are in bed together with Sigurd, because you are Scandinavians.

Odds are, we as Scandinavians agree on a whole lot. Inclusive education is one. Abortion rights is another. Taxes being a good thing is a third...

Just because we disagree on some questions (even bigger ones), doesn't mean we, by and large, are more like each others than we are to, say, Rajpoot or PVC...

Also, just because 1/4 of us disagree, 3/4 of us will agree. Our culture thus dictate the general outcome, even if a minority disagrees on a specific notion.

IE, Viking might be against high taxes even though being scandinavian... But it matters little, as the other 3 representing scandinavia like it, and are in majority on the issue.

Of course there are cultural trends.


And, I find it obvious that it is a BAD thing when a MINORITY culture control the MAJORITY of traditional media.

And on the 1% controlling blah blah blah is worse than jews controlling media... YES that is a more important issue. But saying something else is worse does not excuse other wrongs, does it?



Husar, That answers you as well?

[Husar]

And why do you assume that the culture of a swedish jew is so radically different than that of other swedes?
Would it worry you if all the media in Sweden were owned by catholics?

And what should be done about this "problem"? Disown them? Is it a good idea to let the government instead of the market decide who can own the media? And what does the latter tell us about the worries other Swedes have about the owners of the media? Maybe you're a minority with your worries and it would be worrying to let your minority decide how to go about this.

[HoreTore]

And why do you assume that the culture of a swedish jew is so radically different than that of other swedes?

Because, jews.

It's rather hilarious that some people believe that people who have been in the country for a century counts as 'foreign'. The majority of the Swedish jewry(excluding some recent arrivals) are as Swedish as anyone else. And like all other Swedes, they are mostly secular and non-religious. For most, the only association to Judaism is a grandpa with a holocaust story and some slight alterations to holidays.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Because, jews.

It's rather hilarious that some people believe that people who have been in the country for a century counts as 'foreign'. The majority of the Swedish jewry(excluding some recent arrivals) are as Swedish as anyone else. And like all other Swedes, they are mostly secular and non-religious. For most, the only association to Judaism is a grandpa with a holocaust story and some slight alterations to holidays.

I'm going to take a punt at this, just for fun.

What's odd about Swedish Jews?

How about that they're still recognised as Jews, even if non-religious?

Ed Milliband makes a lot of being Jewish, despite being an Atheist, and has said that if he wins the election he will be Britain's "first Jewish Prime Minister". This begs the question of why Disraeli wasn't Britain's first Jewish Prime Minister - he was a Christian and Milliband is an Atheist.

So what gives?

I personally think that what gives is that Jewish identity is more robust than pretty much ANYTHING else, that's why Jews get persecuted throughout history - they refuse to stop being Jewish. Now - if you consider that from a political standpoint, given that Jews everywhere insist on being Jews (which is fine) then you can see why they might be perceived to have divided loyalties.

Bear in mind that, historically, the same was thought of Catholics - but Catholics have mellowed a lot since JFk. Roma would be another example of the phenomenon (and it's still popular to hate them).

[HoreTore]

I'm going to take a punt at this, just for fun.

What's odd about Swedish Jews?

How about that they're still recognised as Jews, even if non-religious?

Ed Milliband makes a lot of being Jewish, despite being an Atheist, and has said that if he wins the election he will be Britain's "first Jewish Prime Minister". This begs the question of why Disraeli wasn't Britain's first Jewish Prime Minister - he was a Christian and Milliband is an Atheist.

So what gives?

I personally think that what gives is that Jewish identity is more robust than pretty much ANYTHING else, that's why Jews get persecuted throughout history - they refuse to stop being Jewish. Now - if you consider that from a political standpoint, given that Jews everywhere insist on being Jews (which is fine) then you can see why they might be perceived to have divided loyalties.

Bear in mind that, historically, the same was thought of Catholics - but Catholics have mellowed a lot since JFk. Roma would be another example of the phenomenon (and it's still popular to hate them).

Jews insist on being Jewish...? They are more visible than others?

I'm sorry, but a claim like that needs more backing than an anecdote about Milliband.

[Ironside]

I'm going to take a punt at this, just for fun.

What's odd about Swedish Jews?

How about that they're still recognised as Jews, even if non-religious?

For the average person they aren't known to be Jews.

To find them, you have to specifically search if they're Jews and that boils down to having Jewish ancestry.

They don't have a say in the matter, it's their opponents or "proponents" (aka people that drags out any famous people with Jewish connections to show that the Jews are great).

It's basically the one-drop rule. Anyone here having Swedish ancestors? I'll be here insisting that your grandchildren should be classified as Swedes because of that.

[Kadagar_AV]

And why do you assume that the culture of a swedish jew is so radically different than that of other swedes?
Would it worry you if all the media in Sweden were owned by catholics?

Of course I would, yes. What part of basically "any and every minority" is it that you don't get?

And what should be done about this "problem"? Disown them? Is it a good idea to let the government instead of the market decide who can own the media? And what does the latter tell us about the worries other Swedes have about the owners of the media? Maybe you're a minority with your worries and it would be worrying to let your minority decide how to go about this.

Raise public awareness of the problem?

However, how to distinguish that from "let's all gang up on the jews" is quite another issue.

[Husar]

You don't find it bad enough that a minority control the majority of media? I mean, do we really have to take the discussion further than that?

Yes, apparently.
We have to come to terms on what kind of minority they are. The term jew does not really tell you much about a person, it can refer to heritage, religion and possibly culture so we cannot really derive much from it. According to Ironside they do not even represent the same political views, and why would they?

I'd be far more worried by Scientology controlling the entire media landscape and that cult actually does actively try to insert its followers into companies AFAIK.Just to bring that example up yet again, North Korea does not have many foreigners controlling anything but that does not make it a great country. I would claim that historically the same kind of ideas that keep foreigners out of a country are the ones that foster all the other ideas which make a country unpleasant to live in.

And let's not forget that it hardly matters who controls the media in Sweden or Austria. The moment Austria suspected Snowden was in a plane, they forced it to land. Even though Austria has absolutely no reason to look for Snowden all by itself. I find that also much more worrying than who sells the most tabloids.