I don't see your apologies and they're better to be real.Originally Posted by dur3x
No apologies no playing amigo
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I don't see your apologies and they're better to be real.
No apologies no playing amigo
Last edited by sonnet; 07-19-2014 at 07:48.
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To be honest, I apologize to everyone on this forum for my bad words, but with a little exception, sonnet. After all, I don't really care about this man. The best way is to ignore each other and stop this with apologize because you will never see them.
This is the second threat from you when you want to remove a player becauase is not serving your interests in this HS.
When you break your word, you really deserve to suffer the consequences.
Last edited by dur3x; 07-19-2014 at 08:25.
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It seems you didn't repent for insulting. You're not in.
I could write more, but if you don't get why insulting is wrong there's not much to say, your post says enough. If you don't understand the difference between reality and game, you're not really fit to play ,at least not in my hs.
And I'd be glad if you had apologized and continued to play. That we'd have all players for all factions and solved all my problems.
I don't care about what you do in game. But insulting won't be condoned.
And it would be stupid to think I would spend my time in organize a HS for people who insult me and lack respect.
And one last thing: as people talk about being brave.. insulting people is lame.
Insulting people behind a screen is beyond lame.. and not brave at all
Last edited by sonnet; 07-19-2014 at 08:31.
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You should take care not to over exaggerate. You might be admin and what he did, insult and acting like a kid, cannot be condoned for sure, and it's no doubt that everyone here agrees with you, BUT you should still know that he's your enemy and this incessant bickering over the insult is not doing you any favors. You're quickly becoming too much.
No, I don't like what happened and how yuonyuon and Durex behaved. I even told Yuonyuon that if he doesn't change attitude it's best he quit the hs for both his sake and ours, but I did it in private conversation with him and did not make such a big fuss. Granted it was you who was insulted, so you did make a fuss, but now it's going overboard.
The forum has rules. Durex has already been warned once now, and next time we expect him to wave us goodbye for good if he can't keep civilized. I don't think that you should create more drama over that insult. Let's put it behind and decide clear minded over how reliable is Durex, because if he does this every time he's attacked/backstabbed then it's clearly an issue - not just for this hs but for all hs's he's in. Backstabbing has always been a part of the game.
Understand the shift in the debate ? Let your bruised ego go and let's debate his return in a different light: if he's changed and is reliable and polite from now on, if we trust that of him.
My response/vote on the matter: As far as I'm concerned, I don't have much faith in Durex from what i heard about how he acted upon hearing his betrayal. Now he's entitled to answer and try to change my mind, but you can't go not playing your turns and insulting ppl because you're mad. It's a game, and it's everyone's right to betray or play how they see fit.
And sonnet, if you're gonna give me a one page reply, I won't bother. This is becoming more complicated than it should be.
Sorry for my long post for that matter.
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No.
You are the subber of DUREX. If I took Egypt I can DEMAND to remove you as my subber. No. I would switch HRE for Egypt as requested by the maker of the HS, and asked that everyone state their minds on the matter.
No. You don't have RIGHTS on the matter of EGYPT.
I just don't understand you, you liked the post where Jiub talked about changeing passwords but now you talk about your "rights". It's like talking to gay "rights" movement, playing right dumb.
Had it enough with your nonsensical posts, you write just cuz you can, you don't read other ppl posts and I can be damned if you are thinking what you read in them.
I wouldn't say it's settled, we still got to see what will Castile say and what will durex post.
Last edited by Tonno; 07-19-2014 at 12:49.
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looks like i m caught in the corner , i don feel very welcomed here . every new post i see is condemn me and durex to leave .(ironically we 2 are also his enemies in the game), i already saw this story in other HS from TWC
i m still wait to see what the admin say . then i can goo .
"my game my rules " you say . but we suppose to have admins that decide not a player that can use power on its own interest . well nobody force me to join so you right about that 100%.
Also why Tonno wants to have Egypt so badly ??....good question
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Turks are late they should be skipped ! that s what Sonnet will said if it was my or durex turn,
so if Tonno takes Egypt i leave this forum . I MEAN IT . 100% I WILL LEAVE !!!
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No, please don't leave. TBH, I like seeing dramas between you and invicta. I think it is better than having a peaceful and quiet hotseat.And I don't think Tonno will take Egypt since he is doing well taking my cities.
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Tonno is taking over Egypt if:
1. The original player for Egypt doesn't want to play them any more and he states so here specifically.
2. The HRE is turned to AI. NO ONE GETS THE HRE ONCE IT HAS BEEN ABANDONED. I don't want to see people effectively owning two factions through subbing.
3. The HRE player admits defeat and that he basically is out of the game as the HRE and it is clear that he is taking over Egypt which was more or less an AI faction as It has been subbed more than played.
Also, Invicta, it's not your job to exact punishment over insults in the forum. You are not a moderator on the .org and I ask you to trust myself and @Nightbringer for such matters. Also, public requests of apologies and threats for kicking players off the game over them create more drama and I think I made it clear that I don't want drama on these forums. Talk it over via PM and PM the moderators.
If I see more 5 paragraph posts which basically only point fingers and bicker, I will delete them and start handing out infractions. Focus on the hotseat.
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...
Pics comeing up, but nothing that wasn't obvius
PS
Took tortosa as well, but my fraps didn't took the pictures by the look of it.
All diplomacy deals should be re-done, or ask thorugh the PM here.
Last edited by Tonno; 07-19-2014 at 18:16.
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I will post the save soon. Thanks for your patience !
PS: Tonno, don't worry about that, is no problem. :)
Last edited by dur3x; 07-20-2014 at 00:06.
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First of all I want to thank to our allies in the East because they rushed to help us when we were in a delicate situation and that will be on our side in this war. We will always be indebted for their help. Now the Turks were driven out of our territory and the holy city, Jerusalem is back in our hands including Castle Acre.
Screens => http://www.mediafire.com/download/ch...Turks_!!!_.rar
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@Emproment up!
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HRE is next.
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France.
On one picture you can't see the army, I don't know why, but they stayed the same as in next one.
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Like I said to someone, its not the single insult but the whole slander campaign of false accusations that annoyed me.
Until now I thought I would leave for those reasons.
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All in all I thought I could simply kick the players out by defeating them.
This is the save I played yesterday.
If people want to continue from there,I'll continue
The save has been played yesterday before TOnno posted his own subbing version. Tonno can confirm that in a pm from yesterday I told him that I played it and sunk all the Egyptian ships.
Otherwise look for another player for the Turks. I guess that was what the bad loser wanted from the begin.
@Jiub and all the players after him. If you post your save rather than getting back from my save I have to assume you want to continue without me. In that case you can find another player for the Turks and manage the HS in my stead
Here's the save for @dur3x
https://www.mediafire.com/?2wmz6a1c3da7n0r
@dur3x & @LooseCannon1:
here's the SS (Nb: the ss with the Kwarezm general defeated and the capture of Tortosa are not the real ones. The units used though are the same and the results were obvious. In the case of the Kwarezm general I took about 13 more losses)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Last edited by sonnet; 07-20-2014 at 12:16.
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Ok then, not doing my turn.
Still, question: I didn't get from the post what exactly happens ? Is Tonno to take Egypt? Any other changes ? Or are we simply letting you to replay your turn ?
I don't really understand anything except to stop.
But yeah, I admit you had a lot to deal with while we just signed in and enjoyed the ride, and I don't think anybody had anything but contempt for how the two acted.
Last edited by Jiub; 07-20-2014 at 11:59.
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No Tonno will stay HRE. I'm tired and this is the best solution as otherwise new bickering will happen about who would sub HRE.
Dur3x can play his turn
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Didn't Durex play his turn already ? Wans't his turn the one used ? I'm completely confused.
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The turn I posted is the one I played yesterday afternoon before Tonno played his own.
Like I said, I thought about leaving and didn't posted. Only mentioned to Tonno that I played and sunk all the Egyptian ships:
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I'm posting the message I sent to Tonno in case anyone doubts, since I imagine new accusations would rise up.
If we want to continue together, we continue from my save, not Tonno's save.
So Dur3x should replay with the save I posted.
Last edited by sonnet; 07-20-2014 at 12:22.
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So be it, form your save onward then. But I don't like at all what happened. I know you were stressed and what not, ok you've let Tonno sub you, but now coming and demanding a replay or else is sorta the whole thing we've been condemning until now. The sub definitely wasn't as you'd wanted but that's how it is, you yourself stressed the importance of playing fast and if you gotta be subbed then that's it - that the hs must go on.
Oh well, it's not the end of the world, we'll be on track next week. But I don't like the precedent it sets for anyone else to come and say "hey, invicta got one, I want one too"...
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1-I didn't get a day extra. The save is from yesterday. Load the save and check the time. I also posted the message I sent to Tonno saying I defeated all the egyptian ships. And my save was played before Tonno's so I didn't get any sort of advantages. I hope you get this clear in your mind.
2-We wasted 1 day on Ebs hoping he would get the pc fixed on time, we wasted one day on Dur3x for 2-3 weak units. Considering all the time I wasted on setting up and keep everybody happy on all the requests I received, and all the bs I had to deal with and all the continuous accusations..like you said, anyone else just enjoyed the ride.
And whether I stay or not, you can manage the HS and see for yourself. Then we an talk about it. @Jiub ,this is just the pile of ..messages from Yuonyuon (and it's only part of it)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
95% of those message are accusations and complaints. The remaining 5% of bizarre requests like kicking out in turn Loosecannon1, Ebs or Emproment.
@Jiub and no, I didn't let Tonno sub me. Last thing I told Tonno was to hold, since he was supposed to take Egypt and as such he shouldn't have seen my turn.
He and the others kept playing on their own initiative.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603656
As also i was waiting Myth to send the new save with Turks and Egypt passwords changed.
Myth had no access to his pc and asked Nightbringer to make it.
And @Jiub here's the message from Myth received yesterday afternoon:
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Last edited by sonnet; 07-20-2014 at 14:02.
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I vote to continue this HS ,
as long you didn t affect my gameplay and my deals in the game ,you can insult me in every mod possible .
i m only mad when someone wants to trick me or want to gain unfair advantage using his management powers and if that will be the case i will PM the admin from now on .
Last edited by yuonyuon; 07-20-2014 at 14:22.
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BYE BYEThe turn I posted is the one I played yesterday afternoon before Tonno played his own.
Like I said, I thought about leaving and didn't posted. Only mentioned to Tonno that I played and sunk all the Egyptian ships:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I'm posting the message I sent to Tonno in case anyone doubts, since I imagine new accusations would rise up.
If we want to continue together, we continue from my save, not Tonno's save.
So Dur3x should replay with the save I posted.
You demanded that we all appoint a permanent sub to play in case we could not make the time frame we all agreed to play in. That sub (AND ONLY THAT SUB) was supposed to play the faction in case of an absence. The first person to break this rule was YOU when you subbed ebs instead of Vipman. Now you want to break it again because Tonno didn't play good enough for you?
You've lied and tried to manipulate most of us in Pms. Sell Astrakhan to Kiev? How can you when you don't control it? (Cumans took it back
Tonno can take over the Turks after you leave and the HRE is defeated.
You had no right to request a change of passwords for Fatimids so there is no need for Myth to do anything there.
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LooseCannon1 :most of the things you're saying are just in-game related and thus not relevant.
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Last edited by sonnet; 07-20-2014 at 17:50.
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If I recall well, Ebs asked that Invicta subs him...
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I indeed posted the ss of his pm (with only pswd edited for obvious reasons) .
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I'm not going to copy over your post just reply point by point.
1. Ebs's "OPINION" that Vipman was not "HERE" is not valid enough for you subbing him instead.
2. If you played before Tonno subbed you should have posted the save. If you couldn't post it then you should have posted a message asking for a delay. OH WAIT YOU DEMANDED WE PLAY ON TIME OR BE SUBBED.
3. I know what you said to me, Dur3x, and Makrell. Knowing you, one can infer how you've talked to others.
4. A Cuman city is part of Cuman territory. What part of "Then I'm planning on going thru the Cumans. . . " didn't you understand?
5. After you first captured it it flipped back to AI control. And since you know so much about the game you should've known that would happen.
6. Prove it with proper screen shots including ones showing your treasury before and after and allow the admin to look at your saves. I'll tell them in a PM what I'm looking for.
7. same as 6
8. Actually you were the first to propose disbanding Jihad armies https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053601029 If a human player chooses ERE. Of course, you already looked at the save and realized I, like an idiot, would do the honorable thing and disband my army. Leaving you a clear path to the Constantinople.
9. No it's not a good price for a city. ten turns minimum is a fair price and you could not have afforded that being in debt and not "sacking" constantinople.
10. No, my judgement is driven by the fact that I let you play me like a fool.
And Tonno, your sycophantic posting is causing me to lose respect for you. For those who don't have English as their primary language I give you this. Sycophantic-synonyms: obsequious, servile, subservient, deferential, groveling, toadying, fawning, flattering, ingratiating, cringing, unctuous, slavish; In other words, Tonno, you sound like his puppet.
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I didn't know I had respect among players on TWC.
Already heard enough times being called a suck up to him. The diference between you and me, and the others that told me that, is that I choose to stand on what can be confirmed on, not lame "arguments" such are: "Ebs's "OPINION" that Vipman was not "HERE" is not valid enough for you subbing him instead." or "I know what you said to me, Dur3x, and Makrell. Knowing you, one can infer how you've talked to others."
To add, if you where as clear minded as me you would see that the only thing I was "puppet-ed" about is the Ebs request (what... oh look.. is true) and the Castile abuse, what is a gray area, but for me to much. That's why I said I will not protest if admin decides to punish him (if he broke the NAP).
But I wished I was his puppet, cuz the crap he does for the HS comm and the crap he gets from the HS comm is a bit to much for a bunch of intelligent English speaking people.
Last edited by Myth; 07-20-2014 at 16:56. Reason: language
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