Restless crowns: forging empires [Late era -Skip a few]

[yuonyuon]

From my understanding is if Durex didn t show in 12 hours from that message he was kick out , but in the same time Sonnet show up late(after 48 hours) after 4 players did their turns and still he have to right to stop the HS and make us all repeat our turns.

that what i call fairplay , and the admin agree?!

[sonnet]

From my understanding is if Durex didn t show in 12 hours from that message he was kick out , but in the same time Sonnet show up late(after 48 hours) after 4 players did their turns and still he have to right to stop the HS and make us all repeat our turns.

that what i call fairplay , and the admin agree?!

1-First ,I told everybody to wait. And you're purposely making things up, as I posted less than 24 hours between a post and the other. Why do you keep going with this lie of the 48 hrs? (I played the save before Tonno and in any case I posted it 16 hours later than him)

2-Dur3x didn't show up for 72 hours (since Wednesday. You said he told you (on Wednesday he wouldn't play again. On Friday you said he told he'll decide t play only after seeing his turn. I asked him to show up within 12 hours confirming if he was in. and he didn't. All this despite the fact that he connected multiple times and purposely refused to answer.

And you said you trusted admin's logic. But now,since you don't like the answer, you don't trust it anymore.

The funniest part in all this, is that you or anyone else don't get any penalization (you just have to play with my save which was played in time). You're just fighting to get an unfair advantage,because without it you feel you're lost.
@dur3x @LooseCannon1 @yuonyuon pls let confirm if you'll keep playing or not as soon as you connect and read this message

[Mithridate]

Please people, you're not making any progress like this - let it rest?

Invicta was wrong to try to enforce "his rule" on Durex but he had perfectly valid reasons to hold the turn assuming that he even did, as confirmed by admin - the supreme authorities on .org hotseating. Invicta states that he posted his save within his time frame. If that is indeed the case then there is no need for us to use the version where he has been subbed. Disagreement with this or his conduct regarding rules should be kept to PM.

Keep this up and you will not only bury yourselves, but the hotseat and any shred of dignity TWC main-area hotseaters still manage to cling to.

[Emproment]

Please people, you're not making any progress like this - let it rest?

Invicta was wrong to try to enforce "his rule" on Durex but he had perfectly valid reasons to hold the turn assuming that he even did, as confirmed by admin - the supreme authorities on .org hotseating. Invicta states that he posted his save within his time frame. If that is indeed the case then there is no need for us to use the version where he has been subbed. Disagreement with this or his conduct regarding rules should be kept to PM.

Keep this up and you will not only bury yourselves, but the hotseat and any shred of dignity TWC main-area hotseaters still manage to cling to.

Nice off-topic stab at TWC.[/offtopic]

EDIT: No one should take this so seriously.

There was seldom a famous general in history who was not prima-donna. When this HS goes stale, these modern game-generals love to gossip about old dramas.

Leave the diva-queens to their bickering.

[yuonyuon]

Please people, you're not making any progress like this - let it rest?

Invicta was wrong to try to enforce "his rule" on Durex but he had perfectly valid reasons to hold the turn assuming that he even did, as confirmed by admin - the supreme authorities on .org hotseating. Invicta states that he posted his save within his time frame. If that is indeed the case then there is no need for us to use the version where he has been subbed. Disagreement with this or his conduct regarding rules should be kept to PM.

Keep this up and you will not only bury yourselves, but the hotseat and any shred of dignity TWC main-area hotseaters still manage to cling to.

No we are making a very big progress here . don t you see?

Sonnet told Jiub to hold his turn because he might foul us by replaying his turn (and he was online when we all played , he could say something then) he just made a perfect turn in 30 HOURS (19 6:00 -20 12:00), i had 15 min. durex had 4 , all from my timeframe .because tonno post too late

but the good thing was that Sonnet played before Tonno and he didn t want to post because i don care ......... we have a schedule .last time i was forced to rush my turn when i pas 15 min on Emproment time .this time again .

i m not agree to replay . final .

why you didnt post the save it that is true , so durex can t see the save . so you may kick him and let tonno do the easy job . look we are not stupid here . at least loose and others know you well enough to detect this kind of crap

you see i dont mix in game situation with the ruling problems even they are 100% related with each other.


EDIT: lets put it this way , i might replay if durex will replay since i have no gains in the middle east .
i think now i m a reasonable person . but that depend on his decision .

[Gaius Octavius Caesar]

You have to respect admin's decision. We all agreed this when we joined the hotseat. End of discussion.

[yuonyuon]

You have to respect admin's decision. We all agreed this when we joined the hotseat. End of discussion.

you meant the rules . not admin , can t you see one admin said lets vote , and other say what invicta told him to say .
what do you mean by end of discussion , ok i end the discussion right now , now what ?? can t you see nobody wants to continue .

we can t end the discussion without resolving the problem . this is a big problem . are you not paying attention , you are part of this HS too .

[dur3x]

I wish to inform you that I do not agree with this result. I do not understand why they still make the circus so that everything appears to be normal parameters until sonnet saw his result Tonno, sonnet's official subber. A little late but that's right nothing, I thought still to waste a night for not taking the time of other players, but unfortunately it did not matter at all. Sonnet told us it will not play as Tonno will take place, and after seeing the result sonnet came with all sorts of arguments totally useless, where his time was running out for a while. Nobody sees rules of this HS , which is a special one, against time and look like sonnet is trying to break the rules. It bothers me very much that no one take into account the rules and let admins should vote because it has no value and analyze the situation in accordance with the rules of the game which unfortunately are violated. But this is the world where we live and the rules are made to be broken.

LoL, Loose, we posted in the same minute !

My vote is simple too, France is up !

[Lord Luka]

It also bothers everyone else that you three keep delaying the HS despite the decision of BOTH admins that we continue from Invicta's save.Everyone would like to continue the HS but you keep delaying it because you don't like the amin's decision.Admin is the ultimate authority and his decision should be respected.

[LooseCannon1]

I asked for a vote because I wanted to get a feel for where people were without all the bickering. I got it, but still agree with myth's ruling that we should got back and play from this save. I understand it is frustrating to have to redo a turn, but please lets just try to give everyone a pass on this one. There was a lot of confused communication (on everyone's, including my, part) and debating it forever is only going to make things worse. Things will be back on track in no time. If a situation about subbing comes up again, this won't serve as a precedent. We will evaluate that issue based on its own circumstances, just as we did here.

You need to make sure then everybody has the facts straight. From my PM to you & Myth

"Sorry, invicta did not post his save within the time frame he demanded. I played and post the save for him at 9:11 Pm friday night (my time) That's 2:11 AM saturday by UTC. His time to play & post is from
6AM to noon UTC Saturday. He did not post the save for Egypt until SUNDAY at 11:29 AM ( or 12:19 PM when he edited the post). Tonno had posted a save at 6:07 PM Saturday (or 6:16 pm when he edited the post). Tonno posted a save way before invicta (but late, technically a fine is due). In fact, dur3x, yuonyuon, Emproment, and Tonno (as HRE) had time to play and post a save for the next person. Fact is, he posted over on TWC (on July 16th) that he would not be able to play until Sunday so he obviously knew Tonno must sub. Then Tonno did a bad job subbing and he wants to post his save. NO that is not right.

And the screen shot of his message to Tonno about playing? The time of that message is 6:23 PM Saturday (in Ireland where he lives) so it's also way late. And later than the time Tonno posted the save."-Loose Cannon

There's all the posts listed by their time of posting.

Tonno is taking over Egypt if:

1. The original player for Egypt doesn't want to play them any more and he states so here specifically.
2. The HRE is turned to AI. NO ONE GETS THE HRE ONCE IT HAS BEEN ABANDONED. I don't want to see people effectively owning two factions through subbing.
3. The HRE player admits defeat and that he basically is out of the game as the HRE and it is clear that he is taking over Egypt which was more or less an AI faction as It has been subbed more than played.

Also, Invicta, it's not your job to exact punishment over insults in the forum. You are not a moderator on the .org and I ask you to trust myself and @Nightbringer for such matters. Also, public requests of apologies and threats for kicking players off the game over them create more drama and I think I made it clear that I don't want drama on these forums. Talk it over via PM and PM the moderators.

If I see more 5 paragraph posts which basically only point fingers and bicker, I will delete them and start handing out infractions. Focus on the hotseat.

Myth posted this after the end of invicta's time to play but 2 1/2 hours before Tonno posted the subbed turn. And, more importantly, almost a full day before invicta replied in the thread. But the amazing thing is that invicta could PM Tonno 12 hours before he posted in the thread

You have to respect admin's decision. We all agreed this when we joined the hotseat. End of discussion.

Yeah, like that has always happened

My vote is simple. Jiub is up. We carry on from there or I will quit.