Restless crowns: forging empires [Late era -Skip a few]

[Core-i7-inside]

oh my, how could you get so much movement points? :|

[yuonyuon]

oh my, how could you get so much movement points? :|

i used a spell .lol

[Core-i7-inside]

Okay, now I admire your magic. XD
I needed 1 more movement point to reach the 2nd fort, maybe I wasn't doing it right. :(

[yuonyuon]

Sonnet your time almost up ! why you don t post the save already ?. oh i forgot you are playing with Egypt too??

[Tonno]

Sonnet your time almost up ! why you don t post the save already ?. oh i forgot you are playing with Egypt too??

Dude, don't tell me you woke up this early on a Sunday (why do you have to spell name of the days with a capital letter, dude this English) just to to wait me out to play my turn, or you're a hardcore orthodox... how nice :D

[sonnet]

Save sent to Tonno.
Kermanshah taken, Alamut under siege.

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Also another minor battle has been fought near Alamut with odds largerly in my favor (a full stack vs few unit, if requested I can prvide a ss with similar results)

Core-i7-inside has been offered Kwarezm , after Yuonyuon kept asking more and more time (we started with 12 hours, the extended to 15, then to 20 and last request was for a whole day threatening every time to leave/not play, every time changing his time's availability/requests).

[yuonyuon]

So that s it. Sonnet kick me out because i beat him very badly this turn .and the situation is getting worse for him if i continue as result he played Core save and ignore mine since he was the one that asked me to play as Kwarezmians.


but another thing i have to say that DR MAC was lost 3 stack by cheating and poor guy he didn t even know .Sonnet broke several rules and one of the maxim importance is writen with red:
- You can't besiege a settlement/fort to prevent the garrison to reinforce an army next to it.

in this way he took Bagdad .https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053609383

[sonnet]

So that s it. Sonnet kick me out because i beat him very badly this turn .and the situation is getting worse for him if i continue as result he played Core save and ignore mine since he was the one that asked me to play as Kwarezmians.


but another thing i have to say that DR MAC was lost 3 stack by cheating and poor guy he didn t even know .Sonnet broke several rules and one of the maxim importance is writen with red:
- You can't besiege a settlement/fort to prevent the garrison to reinforce an army next to it.

in this way he took Bagdad .https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053609383

I didn't kick you out, you said you were out unless I gave you 24hrs

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This is the message I sent you when we were discussing the time:

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This was 4 days ago, and you didn't reply back implying you accepted it.
Yesterday, you wanted to change.
As your own words you;re at home at 16:00 (14:00 time in London):

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i guess i should ignore this atm.

i m not at PC an i will not be until 16:00 romanian hour , it is what it is but i already told you in PM my time frame.
i told you i wil join with 2 condition :
1 if DR Mac agree
2 if time frame is "only 16:00-00.00 otherwise i m not at the PC"

and you agree .

why we are discussing this again???

You kept threatening to not play. I extended you up to 18:00 pm (20 pm Bucharest time, 15 hours window-frame, so veen believing you really don't have the time to play in the early morning despite you having posted your saves in teh morning multiple times in TWC, I still have you 4 hours of playable time and reduced mine to 2 ):

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And you kept changing and threatening to leave. I offered you on last extension, up to 20:00 pm, time in London (22: 00 time in Bucharest, 20 hours window-frame and if I have to believe your words, 6 hours windows frame, longer than anybody else.).

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I was going to reduce myself my time timeframe to only 2 hours (20:00-22:00), as showed in the pm I posted, just to let you have 20 hours time frame and at least 6 hours free time as said by yourself. But this wasn't enough for you (I guess because you need to heavy reload/scout/check mov.points).

You kept refusing. I shouldn't have extended you the time in the first place, because the thing was settled 4 days ago as I showed with the first pm, and you can't let things go and then change on your convenience threatening to leave if you I don't do as it pleases you.
This is my last pm on the subject,as you wasted lot of my time with lots of lies.
Everybody can see that you didn't keep your word,and that despite me extending 3 times your timeframe at cost of reducing mine you still kept threatening and trolling in the pms.

About me losing, is actually quite the contrary: with your moves you condemened kwarezm to lose Alamut (which you could have saved by not bribing my army and using the money to recruit the elephant mercenary which instead I now recruited.. ). And you know that because
you just got my pm before writing this post. So you;re making this fuss to get away from the HS, trying to masquerade the fact that you're the one losing. Despite your 20 hours of reloading, you still couldn't come up with a good strategy. And this is hurting your feelings it seems.

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it's curious that you post this now, saying you leave (when you get the offer 3 hours ago, and you kept saying nothing despite sending other messages). I guess this is because you just got the last pm from me, showing you how you lost Alamut..

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Dont worry i wont use the general . also around city you have only 20 or 21, that s 100 % or you used a trick?:))the second army can t reach the city- or near don t cheat i m not Auran .

your fort is pointless as is not build exactly south of the castle anyway my general have good mov points

actually i have 33 vs 20. mostly militia you say? but what do you have Archers ?

you going to lose the big army than the next one is simple as that and then you are toast .

in the south you are outnumbered already , and in the north you already lost .only chance for you is to bring egypt :))

bribing was perfect as i was too rich this turn and in the same time you have nothing left to defend your regions . i had one stack and i defeated 6 k soldiers and still have a stack and a trebuchet.that s what i call a deal.

This discussion is pointless, since you're out form the HS.

Sorry but I have no time to waste with you.
This is the picture:

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The bribing was stupid because without that you could have recruited the Elephant unit in Alamut region.
But now, I have recruited. The difference between me having and you not having it, convinced me to besiege Alamut.
If you had it, I wouldn't have tried and you would still have it next turn.
But again this is pointless: you're out form the HS and you can anyway check the battle yourself next turn (if you're curious)

So no, I'm not losing. Actually by bribing that army and defeated my 2 stacks you did me a favour, because you could have defended Alamut (by spending the money in recruiting the elephant unit in Alamut I wouldn't have besieged your best fortress. So yeah..now I recruited the Elephant unit , built a fort you didn;t think i could build and you're now doomed). See the times of the pms: now that I showed him that he lost Alamut thanks to his stupid mistake, he comes out with his own accusation, to cover the fact that despite having spent 20 hours on the turn (and I can show you all his reloading with 5%..) you still made a big mistake that costed you the most precious fortress while gaining nothing in concrete (since you won't advance any further anyway..).

About Baghdad:

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I checked the rules now, and it seems I have broken them. Obviously my mistake was in good faith (it's not something that no one won't see) and the fact that no one realized that, proves that even the others were not aware.

About the possible advantage I got: I'd like to point out that all this situation raised one turn earlier, when Dr Mac illegally built 3 forts in one turn in one region.
My plan was to get from both sides with my armies:

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By building the 3 forts he blocked my armies, saved his armies, and also blocked my spy and my assassin (if that didn't happen, I would have had the spy I needed to take Alamut this turn, since my spy lost 2 turns in going around).

More importantly if the 3 forts weren't built, by going on both sides, he couldn't have protected his armies behind Baghdad like he did (because they could have been attacked on both sides.
Situation on his turn would have been like this:

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The 3 stack's group could be attacked -due to mov.points limitations by only 2 of his stacks
The fort could be attacked only by a single stack.

If the fort rule wasn't broken by Kwarezm, I would have attacked from both sides and all this wouldn't be a problem to begin with

But anyone can contact the admin for complaints.

[yuonyuon]

why you send me IN PM that i m out and you used Core save ??
Also there is no admin here , your cheat is so obvious , i don even understand that nobody can t see that

about the forts that is the biggest crap i ever see from you lately.:
1 there are only 2 forts
2 if it was one or 2 there is no difference if you had SIEGE WEAPONS in the first place

look i clearly don t have time for this . you force me to respond every time at your useless comments . and i didn t know you win against DR Mac by cheating until now . so don t fell like a challenge playing against you

also at Alamut i have 33 units mostly good units and elite you have 20 fking archers and a unit of elephants . do the math.

lets face it if i continue playing you lose .

[sonnet]

also at Alamut i have 33 units mostly good units and elite you have 20 fking archers and a unit of elephants . .

More lies..lets admire the elite units yuoyuon will deploy to defeat my 1 and a half stack..
A powerful mix of Turkoman archers, spear militia and archer militia..all lead by a super general..

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About the forts: I obviously had not siege weapons. Another lie from you.So that changed everything.
And it's funny you're the ones saying forts rule breaking is not that important..
You left BFE because Themzr broke the fort's rule :
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post13818552

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post13854550

Something you you deemed so important that kept spamming the thread about it over and over,even after you left..

The save was played this morning while I was still waiting your answer (as showed in the pms) and after I made the last attempt to make you happy by extending your time up to 20:00 pm.
I can play whatever save, to me makes no difference. But even then..if I played Core-i7 you surely would have accused me of being scared of your amazing and wonderful moves..

[Tonno]

Just to clear things out, since yuon has great mind powers and ability to read my mind, I state in full awareness that lyeing is considered a sin and that if a immortal soul becomes one in identity with such a sin, then that soul condemns it's self on eternity of sadness and darkness. That said I, Tonno, claim that never ever in this HS invicta, or anyother player, played Egypts turns instead of me.

In other, normal, news. I joined Jihad... for resons... nothing personal Jiub.

[Core-i7-inside]

Come on guys, just stop fighting and relax.

[Jiub]

Unfortunately I'll be away another week. Sorry :(

[Nightbringer]

it appears sonnet accidentally broke the rules on this save. He should replay the turn in a way that does not break the rules. That will necessitate Tonno replaying his turn. If that is a major problem for him he should pm myth and myself.

Both sonnet and he will get a full turn length in which to replay their turns.

If this has happened in the past as well, that is a separate issue that we can discuss separately. Past violations could be accounted for by in game penalties or by going back and replaying if all players who would need to agree to replay their turns.

[Tonno]

I don't have problems with replaying, but I will warn that it can cause some great changes in the game play.

Is that the final verdict?

[yuonyuon]

Here is my last offer : replaying is not an option since it was happened couple turns in the past . also i don t care if he will be fined or no.

As for kwarezmian i can t continue since Sonnet played Core save. and i will explain why : i did some moves that next turn persian will be in a very good position (i m 10000% sure ) , while Core miss to defeat another 3500 men and defend Alamut also miss the opportunity to defend Basra , that means next turn i m defeated , so you can turn faction AI (another victory of the master tactician)

i don t see myself another turn here , clearly we cannot keep things civil here with so many false accusations . i m not a lier and i don t have to accept tones of crap just because i beat a player in the game .here is only the fault of admins and moderators because they permit insults and cheats .

invicta you are not a good player only a scamer . that's the truth . no master tactician lose two stacks in one turn , not even a noob.
if i played next turn you had been lose double . my mission is done .you call me here and now you kick me out FOR NO REASON/ caling me a liar. i thought you are better than that , otherwise i never come back .

you force me to play a turn that i never seen in 30 minutes and then you have 12 hours to do your , in the past you took 2 days .

good luck everybody !

here are the messages that i receive from invicta

[Tonno]

also i don t care if he will be fined or no.

.here is only the fault of admins and moderators because they permit insults and cheats .

Since I already posted.

You claim that you are not a liar, I do like that... so when I ask you: Did you load Egypt saves when the old password was still valid? You will answer: ???

[yuonyuon]

Since I already posted.

You claim that you are not a liar, I do like that... so when I ask you: Did you load Egypt saves when the old password was still valid? You will answer: ???

yes! i m not a liar as you can see !

[sonnet]

As for kwarezmian i can t continue since Sonnet played Core save.

Pls stop lying.
I played your save, as i repeated multiple times
and you went mad when you got my answer about losing Alamut and the terrible mistakes you made..
About the accusations..

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And the one making false accusations is you: saying I played Egypt's turns (I don't even have or ever asked Egypt's pswd) is just the last one of a ridiculous series, revealing you have no arguments.

And about being civil..your last post is just a good indication of who is not being civil here.

About kicking you out: you keep lying while I showed everything relevant.
You left the first time, despite the admin inviting you to stay (I invited you too) you left accusing him to be corrupt. While reality was that you left because without Egypt, you were scared as hell about the jihad and France's attack on you.

This time again, nobody kicked you out: I showed that you;re the one refusing to play in a reasonable time-frame, saying that you can't play your turn in 40 minutes or an hour like we all do.
And not just that, you requested a full 24hrs, with at least 8 hrs playable time.
Something nobody has.
I offered myself to reduce my time to 2 hours (so much less than you)
I offered you to become Moors subber so that you could have a look at your turn the evening before, so that you can play fast the turn in the mroning.

The funny part in all that..as usual, is that you keep accusing others of the things that you do (you accused me of loading Egypt turns, while you;re the one who actually did that..despite being warned twice to not cheat that way).
You now demand 24hrs for yourself, but you were the one saying that it's not fair that someone has more hour (btw the whole discussion was ridiculous as I never had 12 hours, but 6 which I reduced myself to 4 to give more hours to Auran):
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053601696

ohh crap! is my turn .

invicta why you have 12 hours and i have 4??

anyway i will do my turn in time ,

Repeating your lies won't make it true.
About the time assigned to you

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Everybody can read that you change version every time depending on your convenience.
You want to play : play like others in a limited time like it was said at the begin for multiple reasons (keep the HS fast and making it more funny, since extreme reloading and scouting remove the surprise factor, are among the most important), which are the same I mentioned in the past HS.

If you're incapable like you said, to play a decent turn in 40-60 minutes it's your problem and you shouldn't have asked to join in the first place. If I give you 24hrs, other will ask the same, the same way you complained for players having 6 hours and you 4 (despite the fact that you by loading Egypt's turns had more hours than everybody else..). And it won't be any more a fast HS.
The frame-window I give everybody, whether is 4, 6 or 10 hours is not to let you play the turn for 10 hours.
But to make sure you have 40-60 minutes to play the turn in that window.
As I said multiple times.

You want to play, 03:00-15:00 is your time (London time). Bets I could do to help is to let you be Moors subber so that you load your turn the evening earlier and have a look at it so that in the morning in 30 minutes you can make your moves fast, knowing already what to do.
And it's way more than I'd have (I have no problem to reduce my window frame to 2 hours), and it's all you should be concerned about.

If you came here, to make a fuss/drama/accuse someone/lie/insult/being uncivil : then you know the way to get out.

[yuonyuon]

Pls stop lying.
I played your save, as i repeated multiple times
and you went mad when you got my answer about losing Alamut and the terrible mistakes you made..
About the accusations..

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And the one making false accusations is you: saying I played Egypt's turns (I don't even have or ever asked Egypt's pswd) is just the last one of a ridiculous series, revealing you have no arguments.

And about being civil..your last post is just a good indication of who is not being civil here.

About kicking you out: you keep lying while I showed everything relevant.
You left the first time, despite the admin inviting you to stay (I invited you too) you left accusing him to be corrupt. While reality was that you left because without Egypt, you were scared as hell about the jihad and France's attack on you.

This time again, nobody kicked you out: I showed that you;re the one refusing to play in a reasonable time-frame, saying that you can't play your turn in 40 minutes or an hour like we all do.
And not just that, you requested a full 24hrs, with at least 8 hrs playable time.
Something nobody has.
I offered myself to reduce my time to 2 hours (so much less than you)
I offered you to become Moors subber so that you could have a look at your turn the evening before, so that you can play fast the turn in the mroning.

The funny part in all that..as usual, is that you keep accusing others of the things that you do (you accused me of loading Egypt turns, while you;re the one who actually did that..despite being warned twice to not cheat that way).
You now demand 24hrs for yourself, but you were the one saying that it's not fair that someone has more hour (btw the whole discussion was ridiculous as I never had 12 hours, but 6 which I reduced myself to 4 to give more hours to Auran):
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053601696

Repeating your lies won't make it true.
About the time assigned to you

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Everybody can read that you change version every time depending on your convenience.
You want to play : play like others in a limited time like it was said at the begin for multiple reasons (keep the HS fast and making it more funny, since extreme reloading and scouting remove the surprise factor, are among the most important), which are the same I mentioned in the past HS.

If you're incapable like you said, to play a decent turn in 40-60 minutes it's your problem and you shouldn't have asked to join in the first place. If I give you 24hrs, other will ask the same, the same way you complained for players having 6 hours and you 4 (despite the fact that you by loading Egypt's turns had more hours than everybody else..). And it won't be any more a fast HS.
The frame-window I give everybody, whether is 4, 6 or 10 hours is not to let you play the turn for 10 hours.
But to make sure you have 40-60 minutes to play the turn in that window.
As I said multiple times.

You want to play, 03:00-15:00 is your time (London time). Bets I could do to help is to let you be Moors subber so that you load your turn the evening earlier and have a look at it so that in the morning in 30 minutes you can make your moves fast, knowing already what to do.
And it's way more than I'd have (I have no problem to reduce my window frame to 2 hours), and it's all you should be concerned about.

If you came here, to make a fuss/drama/accuse someone/lie/insult/being uncivil : then you know the way to get out.

more lies !!
the screen shots are from Core save !! clearly , that is not my save you played !

don t mix the gameplay with more crap and expect to come clean on the other side , you invited me here again , as i asked you if you want help on admining part sub or other things .

can you stop making me a liar for no reason , last time when someone insulted you , you wanted to leave the game . so can you be a reasonable person??

I m done with you , making me lair over and over again means that you have no dignity at all . as you ca see i never lied on this forum

what i was asked was 4 hours like everybody else to play my turn , and what you did :? yo post crap !
i told you the day before that im not avaible in the morning , only after 16:00 so that means after work , but you have to figure out that i reach home maybe a little later , yo can just spam me to play in a 30 minutes , my first turn .anyway i did that in less than 2 hours , but after me is your turn so that means from 22:00 -to 10:00 next day 12 hours and i didn t say nothing , you are just a corrupt player that all
i m wasting my time . it was a good fight though .

[Gaius Octavius Caesar]

@yuonyuon stop it. You fall into contemp even more..

Can an admin check which save was used so we can end this? ( although we all know the result)

[sonnet]

@Nightbringer @Myth : can you pls check which save has been used?
To do that you should simply load Castille save, which you can download here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attac...4&d=1408882874
, and enable toggle_fow and check the area of Yerevan

Core-i7-inside save will look like this (one fort with a full stack of Turkish armies and one with a full stack of Kwarezmian armies southern of Yerevan):

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Yuonyuon save will look like that (one one fort with a full stack of Kwarezmian units)

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This way we will know for sure who's the one lying and launching baseless accusations just to cover up the fact that he's losing.

[yuonyuon]

Can we stop this and invicta can you manage a time frame between 16:00-00:00 .i will be very grateful if you can do this :yes or not?

also can i still play? yes or no?

these are simple questions not lies.

the SS you posted are from Core save .i have one unit in kermanshah , in you screen are more than one unit that conclude that you played core save.
if is not true then your SS are wrong!.......... why did you post them anyway .

tavix you are not helping this in any way. i m part of this HS too.

[sonnet]

Can we stop this and invicta can you manage a time frame between 16:00-00:00 .i will be very grateful if you can do this :yes or not?

If no one is against that, and doesn't ask to extend his own time-frame based on that, I guess yes.
But you'll get your save at 16:00 and not earlier (since you claimed you wouldn't be able to play it anyway).

also can i still play? yes or no?

You can play if you accept the time that will be assigned to you (see above, if no one is against then yes)

the SS you posted are from Core save .i have one unit in kermanshah , in you screen are more than one unit that conclude that you played core save.
if is not true then your SS are wrong!.......... why did you post them anyway .

tavix you are not helping this in any way. i m part of this HS too.

You had actually 3 units.
Probably you reloaded so much that you got confused and forgot to make the move.
Unfortunately heavy reloading has his cons..

[puddingkip]

Hi guys, I've been asked by invicta to join this hotseat, and I'm interested.

This would be my first hotseat, and this is also my first post on the org. I have however played quite a lot of hours of Total War games, although never truly being an expert.

[sonnet]

Hi guys, I've been asked by invicta to join this hotseat, and I'm interested.

This would be my first hotseat, and this is also my first post on the org. I have however played quite a lot of hours of Total War games, although never truly being an expert.

Hi, I'm Invicta (here i use the nickname sonnet as you see).

I'll contact you by pm to fill you in about what you need to know. @puddingkip will take over the Moors as Ebs warned me to find a replacement within 2 turns as he's busy with work.

[yuonyuon]

Pls update the time frame for Kwarezm , so i know if i can play! NOW!!!!!

[Tonno]

Hi guys, I've been asked by invicta to join this hotseat, and I'm interested.

This would be my first hotseat, and this is also my first post on the org. I have however played quite a lot of hours of Total War games, although never truly being an expert.

YO!

I'm the sentry Inquisitor here!
Glad to see you in joining the HS melee fight fight of steel and balls.
@sonnet
have you talked to Nightbringer about the save's being replayed, or you will just og with it?

[sonnet]

have you talked to Nightbringer about the save's being replayed, or you will just og with it?

There's no replay. Replay was if the fact happened this turn, if you read Nightbringer post.

I sent a pm to both the admins about the matter, but we can keep playing don't worry about that.

[yuonyuon]

YO!

I'm the sentry Inquisitor here!
Glad to see you in joining the HS melee fight fight of steel and balls.
@sonnet
have you talked to Nightbringer about the save's being replayed, or you will just og with it?

Nightbringer told me in PM that he don t understand what happened . and he asked me to replay witch is useless, at the end of the day i conclude that we don t have any admin powers here , also myth didn t reply in any way .

case closed !

all i want is my time frame!!!!! , after all he defeat 3 stack by broke he own rules . that will never happen if he played like a master .

- You can't besiege a settlement/fort to prevent the garrison to reinforce an army next to it." he besiege Baghdad , and attacked armies one at the time . in TWC mithridate was banned 3 months for broke a rule like that , he took a city with catapult instead to use a trebuchet .

also reloading is allowed , where is my time frame gain???? invicta i just one to hear two things :

my time frame (somewere between 16:00-00:00 +2GM), or "get out from this HS"