Restless crowns: forging empires [Late era -Skip a few]

[Core-i7-inside]

I did not call the crusade.I was told there was a crusade by Norway and already ask the admins to confirm if it was called by the pope.Although if it is true that the crusade was called then i believe Moors broke this rule:
Once a Crusade/Jihad target is named, you cannot:
-Assasinate the Pope (valid for any faction) until the crusade ends.

That too would be for the admins to confirm.

Its fine, because the crusade is called on the Moors. XD

[Lord Luka]

He killed the pope.As far as i know if you kill the pope the crusade ends (i believe that is the purpose of this rule) but i am not sure if it ends too if the pope is killed by the muslim faction.

[yuonyuon]

How do you deduct that he assassinated the Pope?
His assassin is France , by looking at his ss from the last turn.

for your knowledge the pope can be killed with armies too.

[sonnet]

He killed the pope.As far as i know if you kill the pope the crusade ends (i believe that is the purpose of this rule) but i am not sure if it ends too if the pope is killed by the muslim faction.

Killing is not the same as assassinating. Assassinating is a specific method of killing (and within the game you do that with assassins only).
I forbid in the rules that assassinating the Pope once the Crusade is called, because as you said the crusade is cancelled if the Pope dies.
But that's only true if the crusade is called against a Catholic faction (and as long as the Catholic faction is not at war with the Papal State)

So it won't work if the crusade is called against a muslim faction: the crusade is still on.
There's no way for a muslim faction to cancel a crusade once it's called against it.

But in any case, the rule says assassinate, not killing. Are 2 different things .

[Lord Luka]

Oh.I didn't know that xD.Ok then everything seems to be fine.Sorry for the troubles.

[Core-i7-inside]

Killing is not the same as assassinating. Assassinating is a specific method of killing (and within the game you do that with assassins only).
I forbid in the rules that assassinating the Pope once the Crusade is called, because as you said the crusade is cancelled if the Pope dies.
But that's only true if the crusade is called against a Catholic faction (and as long as the Catholic faction is not at war with the Papal State)

So it won't work if the crusade is called against a muslim faction: the crusade is still on.
There's no way for a muslim faction to cancel a crusade once it's called against it.

But in any case, the rule says assassinate, not killing. Are 2 different things .

So now France, an enemy of the Moors who was suppose to be excommunicated, can join the Crusade. Well done Moors. XD

[Emproment]

France @Jiub is up.

Pics are here: http://www.filedropper.com/pics_14

[puddingkip]

Im curious, how much time do you guys spend on your turns?

30-40 minutes

So now France, an enemy of the Moors who was suppose to be excommunicated, can join the Crusade. Well done Moors. XD

How was I supposed to know a crusade was upcoming? Anyway I killed the pope twice already, thought it would give my generals some nice free experience. Sometimes you get bad luck in life.

And I don't think France will join the crusade. I would be very disappointed if they did

[Nightbringer]

just to eliminate any suspicion, I checked and it was indeed called by the pope

As to the penalty over the fort rule breaking. I can see why it might look insufficient, but it is based on the fact that a previous breaking of this same rule had resulted in the situation in this first place. Any attempt to estimate what the situation would have been otherwise and to impose a penalty based on the difference between these two possibilities would be pure conjecture.

[yuonyuon]

Most players won't tell you really how much time they spend on their turns. But you can easily spot the hard-core hs'eaters (the ones who spend 8-9 hours on their turn). Those players usually don't leave their settlements at risk of being infiltrated and conquered with spies. So if you have armies nearby, and they don't have spies in it (which you can see by pointing any spy to that settlement and see if the odds are over 30%) it's because they literally scouted the whole map -inch by inch-around them. I saw that happening more than once. Mostly they spend time by scouting every inch of the map , reloading and simulating battle results. One player who was previously playing here, admitted he spent 5 hours simulating a battle to be sure I couldn't beat his armies. Currently we have one hard-core player, plus the one who was previously playing and another one external to this HS.

Personally I spend normally (when free from everything else) less than an hour depending on the size of my faction. Most of the time is spend in replaying, because I try to avoid reloading and intermediate saves (they give malus, or prevent form getting certain bonuses). If I don't make mistakes with the mouse, less than 40 minutes is what it takes me.

besides i don t believe this at all. i ts merely impossible to play a turn in half an hour, only if you want to do a awful job . you have 30 spies ,10 stacks ,economy, and you just figure out with a plan too. there are SS to edit and not to mention about the bonuses are you talking about .you can achieve that with simple save (not quicksave) if all that is true then next time i relay want to see how you play your turn in less than an hour and post the save on the forum .
that s not going to happen

-also you said there was some real hs-ers ?? who they are .maybe we have something to learn by them.

[Gaius Octavius Caesar]

Norway was excommunicated too. Now we can join the crusade

[Core-i7-inside]

3How was I supposed to know a crusade was upcoming? Anyway I killed the pope twice already, thought it would give my generals some nice free experience. Sometimes you get bad luck in life.

And I don't think France will join the crusade. I would be very disappointed if they did

There is a notification when Crusade being called on your settlement, isn't it?

Norway was excommunicated too. Now we can join the crusade

please do.

[Vipman]

@Vipman : can you confirm that the crusade was already called when you opened your last turn?

Whoops yes I saw it but nothing seemed strange, I probably just wanted to finish the turn, as the save was uploaded at 1AM when my time should end already, well I really hope this will stop happening by next month...

[Makrell]

Crusades are herecy.* The heads of christian faith are in unison on this front. Repent and join the one true god, and recognize his son Jesus Christ as your personal saviour

Unless said crusade is used to reclaim lost settlements in the east, which are then granted the kievan rus for safekeeping.

[puddingkip]

There is a notification when Crusade being called on your settlement, isn't it?


please do.

Well yes but at my turn the crusade wasn't called yet so I killed the Pope

[Mithridate]

Will you be able to continue hotseating?

Mostly wondering for restless crowns on .org and the hotseat where you play Novgorod and I am genoa ( Dr Mac is Denmark )

Not for a while. It seems I will be busy until mid-Autumn. I hope to come back and continue in the future

Just a little heads up for ya all. @Myth @Nightbringer

[Lord Luka]

TO up!

[Nightbringer]

Can I get a quick comprehensive list of who is playing which faction at this point? The posts at the start of the hotseat are inaccurate now I believe, and HRE is not even listed as being played there. @sonnet

[Vipman]

Venice http://www.mediafire.com/download/8a..._Venice_14.rar

[sonnet]

Can I get a quick comprehensive list of who is playing which faction at this point? The posts at the start of the hotseat are inaccurate now I believe, and HRE is not even listed as being played there. @sonnet

@Nightbringer

TO @Vipman
Venice @Core-i7-inside
Norway @Gaius Octavius Caesar
Kiev @Makrell
Moors @puddingkip
Kwarezm @yuonyuon)
Turks @sonnet)
Fatimids @Tonno
Castille @Auran
England /HRE @Emproment)
France @Jiub
Hungary @Lord Luka

HRE and England are played by the same player ,Emproment. Everybody on turn 5 agreed that letting Emproment inherit HRE was a better solution than having the faction turned AI.

[Core-i7-inside]

By the request of the Venetian pope, the Venetian Doge joined the holy crusade! Rome shall be reclaim!

Norway's up, sorry for delaying : https://www.mediafire.com/?4aa6378qmec533a

[Gaius Octavius Caesar]

King Henrik I moves the capital in Sweden.

Kiev up!
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwjO...1FTFRKY28/edit

[Makrell]

Moors up

[Myth]

It appears that the Moors and HRE have broken the rule where they are not allowed to move defeated armies. As such, the armies of Tasufin Ibn Wadah and Prince Theodrich can't move for 2 turns.

Read the rules guys.

[Tonno]

It appears that the Moors and HRE have broken the rule where they are not allowed to move defeated armies. As such, the armies of Tasufin Ibn Wadah and Prince Theodrich can't move for 2 turns.

Read the rules guys.

Welcome back Myth.
In other news. How do you stand with free time. Would you join mine HS?

[Auran]

Using whatever free time I have, I just want to say something about some rumors that have been going around...

Spain and France will not and did not sign a peace treaty without England. Spain and the Moors joined the war on behalf of England, so any
peace deal will include England in the negotiating table.

Good luck and see you all when I come back :)

[sonnet]

Moors subbed on last minute request. Puddingkip said he's ill. @yuonyuon is up
http://www.filedropper.com/rckwarezm14

[yuonyuon]

All friends of my enemies are my enemies of course.

So war declared to KIEV!!!! i will expand where i want not where you want .prepare to fight !!!

[Tonno]

is that Techies tactics?

[yuonyuon]

is that Techies tactics?

That was valid only for kiev. you are safe don t worry. even if you are friend of my enemy.lol

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