Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
I'm not saying what you may or may not do, I'll cede that point even if I think think argument is bogus considering the American government has been telling us what we can and can not do since 1789
I'm merely saying you shouldn't be allowed in public school
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
You are not "merely saying" that. The overwhelming majority do not have anywhere near the means to make that choice. You are requiring that everyone but the rich and well off be forced to be injected with chemicals at the whim of majority dictate.Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Not driving your vehicle while loaded and being required to either stay home, get a ride, take public transport, etc present a very different and low/no cost set of options.
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
present a very different and low/no cost set of options.What rubbish.stay home, get a ride, take public transport, etc
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
"Chemicals" is a loaded word. Just admit that your position is untenable unless on some level you think the government is going to do some bait and switch on a scale that makes 9/11 "chem trails" look easy.
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
Perhaps the church could help? That's the point where we are at in this conversation right? Someone says something about wealth inequality and them some mouthbreathing dickbag invokes the gold plated, all mighty, church as the solution to all of our problems.
The state of Texas requires I do many of things, some of which restrict my sweet sweet freedom 10x than what vaccines do. Such a strange topic to make a stand on.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
Yes, I am notorious for bringing the Church up in my political arguments. Especially arguments concerning science and vaccines.
Anyway, this isn't about religious freedom, so I'm not sure why you are bringing it up.
I do generally support the paternalism of the parent over that of the state, except when it concerns acts malum in se. I view an accountable and proximate government as favorable to one that is neither.
Last edited by ICantSpellDawg; 06-30-2014 at 23:42.
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
So what do people think of this? All you have to do is pluck a single hair, way less intrusive than a vaccine. We could do this in every school in the country and expel from normal schools all the students who repeatedly fail the drug test.Some local private schools made news recently in announcing that all students will be subjected to periodic drug tests.
Administrators say it’s to counter the rapid rise in heroin use by teens and get help for those who may be addicted.
But some question whether the mandatory testing is truly beneficial.
The issue sparked a spirited debate on WCPN’s daily call-in talk show The Sound of Ideas.
Tom Stuber has a bird’s eye view as CEO of Lorain County’s Alcohol and Drug Abuse Services. He said the rate of overdose deaths in Ohio rose 300 percent over the last three years.
“The overdose deaths among the state overall, has continued to rise and surpass auto fatalities three years ago,” said Stuber. “And the leading cause of accidental overdose. And the problem is, that individuals…young people…are getting addicted from beginning experimental use, or even prescribed use, of narcotics.”
St. Edward, St. Ignatius, and Gilmour Academy—all Catholic high schools in Cuyahoga County—came to the conclusion that they need to be more proactive.
By plucking a single hair, school officials can learn if a student is using drugs and that’s what they plan to start doing this fall.
Brother Robert Lavelle, Head of Gilmour Academy, explains why he supports the initiative.
“We really want to have kids grow up and be in a very safe environment and you want to be able to help them move through adolescence in a way if they can, merge through that, addictive free, we want to be a part of that resource for them,” said Lavelle.
“And so I think doing this effort allows a youngster who’s starting on that path, to perhaps get the help he or she may need.”
A number of parents at the schools have indicated their support for the drug testing policy but others complain that they weren’t consulted first.
Some say it teaches kids the wrong lesson – that you’re guilty till proven innocent.
One of the show’s callers, Paul, said as a St. Ignatius alum he’s outraged by the school’s policy.
“In fact I got a letter yesterday from Ignatius asking for more money, and I give them money every year…but I’m really doubting it now,” he said. “Y’know, why should I pay for this? Y’know, parents are responsive. And they can do their own drug testing, I think.”
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
Finally, a more legitimate analogy. That is a tough one. I could argue that, as a result of the test being noninvasive it is of a less serious nature and acceptable. Although, I want to see all drugs legalized, kids in possession of them is a large concern, as is slavish dependency at all ages. Hmm
Last edited by ICantSpellDawg; 06-30-2014 at 23:53.
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
The goal is not expulsion but assistance; unless my reading comprehension has totally gone to pot
Ja-mata TosaInu
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
Fine.
Public schools already do this with drug dogs, any hint of residue or paraphernalia and the most lenient punishment at the 8th largest school district in the State of Texas is school replacement.
You don't even have ever had to try the stuff. Also these kids are not guilty until proven innocent. They are being tested for drug use at a private and if they test positive they will be coddled.
Here in Texas they kick your ass to the curb
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
Yeah, don't HELP them... Instead mark them as failed and hope it makes the addiction go away... Because everyone know that if it's something that makes addicts less addictive, is to make them feel like a failure, banned from society and normal life.
Dude, you need to check that moral compass of yours...
Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho
**** I am not in the best of states to argue this properly. But you must agree with me that there is a difference between a policy enforcing vaccine law in which there is science behind the vaccine and everyone is proven to be unprotected until a recorded vaccination and a policy of enforcing drug laws in which you cannot prove anything and you are really just prodding into people's lives for the sake of figuring out what they are up to.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
Bookmarks