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    Default Re: If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public scho

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    Maybe it is a basic misunderstanding as to what a Right is. Rights are outside government control. It is endowed to you by your basic humanity. Government can not take away or regulate rights.
    This interpretation of "Rights" appeals to the concept of "Natural Law" as developed by Thomas Aquinas from rational Muslim thought (yeah, I'm serious) and while it's a valid argument it can't be applied to the situation in the majority of the developed world, including the United States, because it is incompatible with a "secular" Constitution.

    What HoreTore is referring to is the "Social Contract" whereby the citizens of the State agree to be regulated by the state - something with only works when you live in a democracy.

    They may only assure that they do not violate them and see that services are available. Therefore a right to health care does not mean the government has a say in what procedures you choose or decline. Just like a right to education does not mean every child must be indoctrinated in a government school to a particular political ideology. Some may choose alternatives.

    If the government offers health care and a woman chooses to have an abortion, it is not the same as government forced abortion or sterilization programs. But by your definition those are only extensions of healthcare.
    This is a debatable point - it hinges on your definition of "healthcare". I would argue that abortions and family planning are exempt because, fundamentally, being pregnant is not an illness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    I have never said society has no recourse. Quarantine or exclusion are reasonable. There are alternatives or alternatives can be provided.
    OK - so you quarantine the child once he develops symptoms - that's after he's already infectious. Note the real-life case I posted. By the time patient Zero was suspected of having Measles they had already infected their siblings.

    Vaccinating the older children prevents they babies from being infected - fact. Failure to vaccinate has been shown to result in the virus spreading to children too young to vaccinate - also a fact - see the CDC report.

    By allowing unvaccinated children to congregate in a government-owned institution the government is promoting the spread of infectious diseases which are fatal or debilitating in infants. It is therefore reasonable to mandate uptake of vaccinations as a prerequisite of attendance at said institution. Conversely, it is the responsibility to provide universal access, without cost, to these vaccinations.
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