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    Default Re: Who won WWII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    Ah, you know better than this dude. You really, really do know better than this. You're being revisionist out of your never-ending supply of anti-American sentiment. In 1945 almost every newspaper in every European country was censored by the government. They didn't know better than anybody. I already acknowledged the USSR's loss of life, and their crushing offensives that were vital to ending Germany--but they never would have happened had the British not told the Russians exactly what Germany was doing from early 1942-onward.
    I'd like to read more about that. Allies shared intelligence, but I never heard about Soviets being dependent on intelligence from UK or USA.

    Kursk was a manufactured engagement that broke what was left of the Nazi's ability to strike offensively into the USSR, and it was manufactured by British intelligence, Soviet troops, and US Lend-lease (although admittedly the Russians needed our lend-lease less than the British, they still used massive, massive quantities). In Africa, the Italians might have been beaten before 1942, but the Germans were there in force until crushed in Operation Torch--an invasion that never would have happened without the US.
    Entire lend-lease amounted to no more than 4% of the Soviet war production. Most of that got after 1943, and a good portion was unusable equipment (Stuarts and Lees)
    Uh, what? The largest battles between the largest forces in Naval history were a speed bump? A nation that had to be nuked to avoid a campaign as bloody as the eastern front was a speed bump? This is what I mean when I say Europeans are a little racist. They assume anything outside Europe is a speed bump. Look at what the Japanese did to the British, on land and at sea. They were no speed bump.
    Largest battles because they saw entire Japanese navy (the part that wasn't totally obsolete by then) concentrated in one place.

    You're seriously not trying to tell my Japan could threaten USA. Their navy was overextended before Pearl Harbor. As soon as it was clear that Pearl Harbor wasn't a Tsuhima 2.0, it was all over. The difference between military capabilities of USA and Japan was immense.

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