Speaking of Israel...

[Fragony]

Haha, you claimed just a few posts ago that you had no idea who Moshe Feiglin is.

And I'm the one who knows nothing....

Further, I am quite puzzled by what exactly I am supposed to explain to "them".

Them are my Palestinian buddies who actually know how life is in Gaza and what scumbags really Hamas are.

Yeah, I have Palestinian friends, they hate Israel but hate Hamas more, confusing isn't it.

[HoreTore]

Them are my Palestinian buddies who actually know how life is in Gaza and what scumbags really Hamas are.

Yeah, I have Palestinian friends, they hate Israel but hate Hamas more, confusing isn't it.

Why would that be confusing...?

And what I was wondering was what I was supposed to explain.


And honestly, given the number of palestinian refugees, do you believe you're the only one who knows a palestinian...?

[Fragony]

I believe I have precious little company when it comes to that yes.

Palestine supporters are lefties without a cause mostly. Bored rich kids.

[HoreTore]

I believe I have precious little company when it comes to that yes.

Palestine supporters are lefties without a cause mostly. Bored rich kids.

Radical leftie organizations always contain Palestinians. And Colombians. An Iranian or two. Maybe a Cuban. PLO are commies, remember?

I've been a part of several such organizations.

Anyway, what am I supposed to explain?

[Fragony]

Everything you say for starters, I strongly doubt you will be able to expand on it, they will be pretty angry at that point.

[HoreTore]

Everything you say for starters, I strongly doubt you will be able to expand on it, they will be pretty angry at that point.

....And just what am I saying?

[Fragony]

....And just what am I saying?

More what you are doing, always trying to relevate. Not that that isn't a bad thing per sé, but I wouldn't expect any patience for it from people who lived under Hamas rule. The best that can happen is that they say that you don't know what you are talking about. Hamas is just a sick organisation. You can also say something by saying by ommision. Not directly at you but speaking in ommisions is what is just about the rule with people who will always solemny declare that they condemn all violence. They never actually do it though. That Hamas is a bigger terror to the Palestinians doesn't matter, light another pipe. Hamas breaks another peace treaty, absolute silence. Israel strikes back, nothing that could comfort their sorrow, including demonstrations of muslims and gutmensch(who condemn all violence, what a joke) and attacks on jews living in Europe by imported people with culture. Nothing to see here, move along.

[HoreTore]

Nothing at all of any value, just vague insinuations of something or other.

I am not surprised, nor impressed.

[Papewaio]

Them are my Palestinian buddies who actually know how life is in Gaza and what scumbags really Hamas are.

Yeah, I have Palestinian friends, they hate Israel but hate Hamas more, confusing isn't it.

Most people are nice, some are nicer then others. Most governments suck, some much worse then others.

So not really surprising that Palestinians don't like Hamas. Problem is it isn't a stable democracy, it hasn't had time to mature to such and it isn't in the interests of the hardliner politicians on either side for that to happen.

[Fragony]

Nothing at all of any value, just vague insinuations of something or other.

I am not surprised, nor impressed.

Absolutily an insinuation, you can probably read between the lines what the insinuation is, but it's not directly at you personally.

[HoreTore]

Absolutily an insinuation, you can probably read between the lines what the insinuation is, but it's not directly at you personally.

I can, and it's utterly worthless and misguided.

[Pannonian]

How far back should we go?

For the current cycle, I'd put it down to an Israeli act, namely the assassination of Rabin. That was the best chance since the formation of Israel of getting a peace that was broadly acceptable to both sides, with a realistic chance of it bedding into a lasting political reality. It went with Rabin.

[Fragony]

I can, and it's utterly worthless and misguided.

Is it, ISIS kills more on a good day.

My theory, leftists just can't cope with the fact that Israel has build a succesfull country for themselves, while all muslim countries are still a mess despite all the money and aid they get. That's one annoying itch on your back just where you just can't scratch if you are so very very convinced all cultures are equal an valuable, and an enrichment for our own. Well they aren't (says me). That realisation is now past the point of redicule because these gutmensch are now at the point of silence.

[Beskar]

My theory, leftists just can't cope with the fact that Israel has build a successful country for themselves...

Does this apply to me? Just curious.

[Pannonian]

Is it, ISIS kills more on a good day.

My theory, leftists just can't cope with the fact that Israel has build a succesfull country for themselves, while all muslim countries are still a mess despite all the money and aid they get. That's one annoying itch on your back just where you just can't scratch if you are so very very convinced all cultures are equal an valuable, and an enrichment for our own. Well they aren't (says me). That realisation is now past the point of redicule because these gutmensch are now at the point of silence.

I'm starting to get the impression that there's a Fragpost generator there somewhere, where you click a button and it throws a number of terms together with some connective grammar, and spits out a post that hangs together grammatically, but has little else. The number of arguments that are mutually contradictory in the above post just beggars belief.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It's just that Frags is drunk.

Read him across a thread and you can see the rants start to coalesce into a semi-coherent gestalt post.

[Pannonian]

It's just that Frags is drunk.

Read him across a thread and you can see the rants start to coalesce into a semi-coherent gestalt post.

If by gestalt you mean that anything that is wrong with the world is labelled as "left", and ergo everything that is right is "right", then you've got it. Never mind that socialistic organisation and all the other stuff associated with the European left was what made Israel a relatively successful nation, with communal effort and all that. Frag prefers to look at the racialistic elements of modern Israel as the right way to go, with all the success Israel has had as the natural consequence of that. In Frag's mind, their racialism is what made Israel the most successful country in the middle east. Not their socialism.

[Fragony]

Does this apply to me? Just curious.

No, I don't see you having a fixation on Israel, but many leftists (don't know where you stand) do. The whole middle-east is burning but Israel is all they are interested in. I would say that ISIS is a whole lot more worthy of talking about as the middle-east is the new Heart of Darkness by now.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

If by gestalt you mean that anything that is wrong with the world is labelled as "left", and ergo everything that is right is "right", then you've got it. ....

With that kind of simplification going, he is ready for a career in US politics!

Not for us your silly European nuance crap. Black or White, Red or Blue, Right or not USA...yeeeeeee-****in'-HA!!!!!!!

[HoreTore]

Is it, ISIS kills more on a good day.

Are you under the impression that I am more opposed to Israel than I am to ISIL---?


If so, why?

[Fragony]

Are you under the impression that I am more opposed to Israel than I am to ISIL---?


If so, why?

Already said it wasn't directed at you. But the people who are the most vocal about Israel usually completily ignore other conflicts. You won't see them demonstrating for anything else. Media as well, every fart of Israel gets attention, but much worse things happen.

[Husar]

Already said it wasn't directed at you. But the people who are the most vocal about Israel usually completily ignore other conflicts. You won't see them demonstrating for anything else.

This raises an interesting question: Why do you stalk these people?

[Fragony]

This raises an interesting question: Why do you stalk these people?

Don't have to these demonstrations get plenty of coverage (the swastika's were cut out, but admittingly they could be put in a context) Yesterday Kurds protestet in The Hague, One Dutchman of the socialist party attended. Today there is another (pro-pali)demonstration in Utrecht, the greens will attend, the socialist party, and some other organisationnd no doubt a lot of gutmenschen and bored rich kids.

[HoreTore]

Already said it wasn't directed at you. But the people who are the most vocal about Israel usually completily ignore other conflicts. You won't see them demonstrating for anything else. Media as well, every fart of Israel gets attention, but much worse things happen.

That is utter rubbish you only believe because you are ignorant. YOU have never protested against anyone else. Other people do. Most conflict zones around the world have demonstrations arranged. The people who attend a "Free West-Sahara"-rally are mostly the same people you will see at a "Save Gaza"-type rally.

[Fragony]

That is utter rubbish you only believe because you are ignorant. YOU have never protested against anyone else. Other people do. Most conflict zones around the world have demonstrations arranged. The people who attend a "Free West-Sahara"-rally are mostly the same people you will see at a "Save Gaza"-type rally.

Kidding me, most of these protesters have never heard of the saharan west. Bit like in that movie 'the village' those we don't talk about.

[HoreTore]

Kidding me, most of these protesters have never heard of the saharan west. Bit like in that movie 'the village' those we don't talk about.

You have no knowledge of what you're talking about, so no wonder your conclusions are completely wrong.

Remember that "Boytcott Israel"-flag at Utøya you brought up a long time ago? It was made out to be 'proof' in the crazisphere that leftie organizations only care about Israel.... Except that earlier that day, they held their traditional lecture on the West-Sahara issue. A traditional lecture, held every year since the 70's. About a decade before they added a debate on Israel to the program.

Walk into any leftie building, and you'll find plenty of posters calling for the liberation of obscure territories you've probably never heard of. You'll also find plenty of annoying people ready to pester you endlessly about why their pet conflict is a special snowflake which everyone must focus on every second of the day.


The idea that the left only care about Israel is, quite frankly, retarded. But since you have no knowledge aside from parroting the talking points of clueless right-wing demagogues, I can see why you have the idea.

[Pannonian]

You have no knowledge of what you're talking about, so no wonder your conclusions are completely wrong.

Remember that "Boytcott Israel"-flag at Utøya you brought up a long time ago? It was made out to be 'proof' in the crazisphere that leftie organizations only care about Israel.... Except that earlier that day, they held their traditional lecture on the West-Sahara issue. A traditional lecture, held every year since the 70's. About a decade before they added a debate on Israel to the program.

Walk into any leftie building, and you'll find plenty of posters calling for the liberation of obscure territories you've probably never heard of. You'll also find plenty of annoying people ready to pester you endlessly about why their pet conflict is a special snowflake which everyone must focus on every second of the day.


The idea that the left only care about Israel is, quite frankly, retarded. But since you have no knowledge aside from parroting the talking points of clueless right-wing demagogues, I can see why you have the idea.

If Frag wants to isolate Israel as a success story in the hellhole that is the middle east, he should note that it's the traditional European lefty causes, Israel's greater liberalism and greater socialism, that has brought it its success. It's the religious and racialist tendencies, both traditional tendencies of the European right, that make it distinctly different from "the west" (as we now know it) and drift it closer to the rest of the middle east. If all the liberals and socialists leave Israel, and I'd imagine they'd be welcome anywhere in the west, there would be little to distinguish Israel from the other middle eastern countries, except for a better military.

[Fragony]

I can show you the picture of your president (not sure he is) being cozy with the PLO right now right there, on Utoyah

[HoreTore]

I can show you the picture of your president (not sure he is) being cozy with the PLO right now right there, on Utoyah

Our president, Olemmic Thommessen, represents the conservative party. They hold their summer camp at Hove, which is a part of Tromøya, an island outside Arendal at the far south of Norway.

Curiously enough, that's also where the Norwegian Communist Party holds their summer camp.

[Fragony]

Not going to rip up open wounds, too early for that. I got the pics but not going to be at the wrong side of the argument right now