Speaking of Israel...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Fair enough.

Anyways, there was a pro-Israel rally held today in my town, and when I refused to go (since its a waste of my time) I got reamed by a bunch of people for basically being morally reprehensible for not going to a rally. Yes, I am a terrible evil human being for not wanting to go to a rally.

I had always read that most guys went to rallies more because the gals would be there than for the putative cause of the rally.

[HoreTore]

I had always read that most guys went to rallies more because the gals would be there than for the putative cause of the rally.

Every good leftie demonstration always ends up at the bar.

Drop a few Simone de Beauvoir quotes, and you're set.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Every good leftie demonstration always ends up at the bar.

Drop a few Simone de Beauvoir quotes, and you're set.

On this side of the pond I think Gandhi or Guevara quotes would probably get you further -- less philosophy interest -- but you CLEARLY have the general assessment of things entirely on target.

[HoreTore]

On this side of the pond I think Gandhi or Guevara quotes would probably get you further -- less philosophy interest -- but you CLEARLY have the general assessment of things entirely on target.

"Man is defined as a human being and woman as a female – whenever she behaves as a human being she is said to imitate the male." - Simone de Beauvoir

The point is not to quote leftist icons; everyone will be doing that. No, the point is that you - as a man - quote a feminist icon. Nothing will get those radical feminist knickers off faster. It doesn't really matter if the feminist in question is familiar with de Beauvoir. Her work is so influential that basically every feminist piece can trace its arguments back to her(in particular the second sex, of course), and so such quotes will resonate with her ideology no matter what. The main obstacle will be to seperate the full-blown lesbians from the bi-curios, but in that case the following quote might help:

"In itself, homosexuality is as limiting as heterosexuality: the ideal should be to be capable of loving a woman or a man; either, a human being, without feeling fear, restraint, or obligation." - de Beauvoir, again


What, you think I joined political youth groups because of politics....?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

"Man is defined as a human being and woman as a female – whenever she behaves as a human being she is said to imitate the male." - Simone de Beauvoir

The point is not to quote leftist icons; everyone will be doing that. No, the point is that you - as a man - quote a feminist icon. Nothing will get those radical feminist knickers off faster. It doesn't really matter if the feminist in question is familiar with de Beauvoir. Her work is so influential that basically every feminist piece can trace its arguments back to her(in particular the second sex, of course), and so such quotes will resonate with her ideology no matter what. The main obstacle will be to seperate the full-blown lesbians from the bi-curios, but in that case the following quote might help:

"In itself, homosexuality is as limiting as heterosexuality: the ideal should be to be capable of loving a woman or a man; either, a human being, without feeling fear, restraint, or obligation." - de Beauvoir, again


What, you think I joined political youth groups because of politics....?

OH I understood your point about de Beauvoir and "le feminism," but most yank gals wouldn't....hence the more typical leftist/pacifist authors. Your approach reveals a level of sophistication that wouldn't be so well matched on this side of things. Despite being smart, so many of my countrypersons choose ignorance.

[HoreTore]

OH I understood your point about de Beauvoir and "le feminism," but most yank gals wouldn't....hence the more typical leftist/pacifist authors. Your approach reveals a level of sophistication that wouldn't be so well matched on this side of things. Despite being smart, so many of my countrypersons choose ignorance.

I absolutely refuse to believe that your college women are ignorant of basic feminism.

I should go over and verify....

[HopAlongBunny]

Of course its the civilians who suffer.
If one is "anti-Hamas" they get gunned down as traitors to the cause; if "anti-Israel" they are fair game for "collateral damage"; decide you have no dog in this game? see-"collateral damage"
Actually I am surprised there are not more "suicide bombers".

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I absolutely refuse to believe that your college women are ignorant of basic feminism.

I should go over and verify....

Do come, do.

[Beskar]

- Simone de Beauvoir

She does do some nice observations. Though my run-ins with 'radical feminists' tend not to go well for the wrong reasons.

[Beskar]

Here are two interesting blog posts:
How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic
How to Support Israel Without Being Racist

[Hooahguy]

From the same blog, also very interesting:

What have we learned?

[Hooahguy]

Well if the reason you gave was that is was "a waste of my time", then I can see why they might have got a bit upset! You should have just said you were morally opposed to it.

Saying I was morally opposed is even worse! Saying you dont fall in line with the strictly pro-Israel crowd is basically political suicide. Not that I have political aspirations, but better not to close that door so early.

I had always read that most guys went to rallies more because the gals would be there than for the putative cause of the rally.

Yeah, in these kind of rallys the average age for female participation is 50 and they usually have kids.