Speaking of Israel...

**Strike For The South** · 08-01-2014, 01:57

Cutting Israel off from the world is what the hard line Zionists want. It would be a boon for the cause. The fact you think UN peacekeepers can do anything is insane.

Srebrenica
Somalia
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Those blue helmets stopped the baddies then

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 08-01-2014, 02:13

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Cutting Israel off from the world is what the hard line Zionists want. It would be a boon for the cause. The fact you think UN peacekeepers can do anything is insane.

Srebrenica
Somalia
DRC
ETC.

Those blue helmets stopped the baddies then

A lot depends on which militaries are staffing the blue-beanie mission in question. UN efforts at establishing security zones have had mixed results -- notable successes along with failures wherein they have turned predatory towards their protectees.

**Sarmatian** · 08-01-2014, 08:43

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Cutting Israel off from the world is what the hard line Zionists want. It would be a boon for the cause. The fact you think UN peacekeepers can do anything is insane.

Srebrenica
Somalia
DRC
ETC.

Those blue helmets stopped the baddies then

Blue helmets are not enough - they need to have really big blue guns and blue tanks and blue airplanes and blue gunships, so that everyone think twice before messing with them.

Sending them in armed with pocket knives and moral superiority doesn't work.

**Fragony** · 08-01-2014, 09:34

Just do nothing. The second Hamas is gone there will come something worse. At least you can talk with Hamas (yeah I am inconsistant here considering earlier posts, I know and acknowledge that, but it isn't about me is it). Anything should be done to end this in a reasonable way, it's getting somewhat insane. Doing nothing looks best, more will die of course.

Edit, well that was short, more rockets ad hominem after 72 very short hours that lasted only 4. Whoever is in control there is not interested peace, or interested in a homeland for the Palestinians.

Thesis, Hamas can't afford to have peace because they will become the victim of much much worse radicals. Hamas is a really ugly thing, but less ugly than much uglier groups.
Crazy as it may sound, maybe Hamas is exactly who everyone should treat as a valiable partner for a talk. The alternative is probably much more horrible. That Arab-spring the left cheered on is the new Heart of Darkness. Nice to see a Dutch muslim posing before a gate with heads spiked on in it. Cutting of a head, gently pulling the ear upward for the cut, almost seemed intimate, how sick is that.

**Sarmatian** · 08-01-2014, 10:22

Originally Posted by Fragony

Just do nothing. The second Hamas is gone there will come something worse. At least you can talk with Hamas (yeah I am inconsistant here considering earlier posts, I know and acknowledge that, but it isn't about me is it). Anything should be done to end this in a reasonable way, it's getting somewhat insane. Doing nothing looks best, more will die of course.

Edit, well that was short, more rockets ad hominem after 72 very short hours that lasted only 4. Whoever is in control there is not interested peace, or interested in a homeland for the Palestinians.

Thesis, Hamas can't afford to have peace because they will become the victim of much much worse radicals. Hamas is a really ugly thing, but less ugly than much uglier groups.
Crazy as it may sound, maybe Hamas is exactly who everyone should treat as a valiable partner for a talk. The alternative is much more horrible.

Have you tried considering that Palestinians don't have a hive mind and that just maybe some individuals have ideas of their own? Just food for thoughts.

**Fragony** · 08-01-2014, 10:36

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Have you tried considering that Palestinians don't have a hive mind and that just maybe some individuals have ideas of their own? Just food for thoughts.

Ffs I know Palistinians that live here, had a barbecue with them yesterday, did you? If you assume that I am that stupid it says more about you than it says about me. Guess who they dislike more, the Israeli's or these religious nutjobs who shoot people at weddings because they play music, there is only one answer to that, the right one.

**Sarmatian** · 08-01-2014, 10:45

[QUOTE=Fragony;2053605773]Ffs I know Palistinians that live here, had a barbecue with them yesterday, did you? If you assume that I am that stupid it says more about you than it says about me. Guess who they dislike more, the Israeli's or these religious nutjobs who shoot people at weddings because they play music, there is only one answer to that, the right one.[/QUOTE

Your posts imply something else.

A makeshift rocket or two doesn't mean that Palestinians at large, or even Hamas, want war. It means there are few nutjobs with a few makeshift rockets on there hands.

**Fragony** · 08-01-2014, 11:37

[QUOTE=Sarmatian;2053605774]

Originally Posted by Fragony

Your posts imply something else.

Oh really, what you make of them is not my concern. I am perfectly harmless. Just outspoken.

**Kralizec** · 08-01-2014, 16:22

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Have you tried considering that Palestinians don't have a hive mind and that just maybe some individuals have ideas of their own? Just food for thoughts.

He's not wrong, though. Hamas is not the most radical Palestinian movement, not by a long shot. Any sort of peace agreement or even a cease fire must avoid the possibility that Hamas will lose face, otherwise:
- there's a good chance that Gaza will disintegrate into civil war
- armed splinter groups, more radical than Hamas, will ignore the agreement and start firing rockets at Israel on their own accord

**Slyspy** · 08-03-2014, 11:05

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

Apparently the ceasefire ended because Hamas kidnapped a soldier or something. Hamas is claiming he was taken just before the ceasefire began, but who really knows.

Yes, apparently Israel is strangely upset that in an armed conflict it's military personnel may be at risk.

Originally Posted by Kralizec

He's not wrong, though. Hamas is not the most radical Palestinian movement, not by a long shot. Any sort of peace agreement or even a cease fire must avoid the possibility that Hamas will lose face, otherwise:
- there's a good chance that Gaza will disintegrate into civil war
- armed splinter groups, more radical than Hamas, will ignore the agreement and start firing rockets at Israel on their own accord

I'm not convinced that either side is truly in control of what happens in their name.

**Idaho** · 08-03-2014, 11:29

Israel cancelling the ceasefire because one of the soldiers it sent in to kill civilians is kidnapped. No further comment needed.

Anyone posted up the idf soldier's social media comment about his great success in killing kids?