Speaking of Israel...

[Pannonian]

Casus Belli means a justified war, as far as I can see, it seems to be a completily justified war.

So would the West Bank Palestinians be completely justified in taking any measures possible to expel the Israelis from the Palestinian West Bank as defined in agreements between the Palestinian state and the Israeli state?

[Fragony]

So would the West Bank Palestinians be completely justified in taking any measures possible to expel the Israelis from the Palestinian West Bank as defined in agreements between the Palestinian state and the Israeli state?

It alll started in 1948, I am of the 1977 variety. Palestian state, sure why not. i look forward to admiring everything they build there. But there isn't any sign of anything at all there is there.

[Pannonian]

It alll started in 1948, I am of the 1977 variety. Palestian state, sure why not. i look forward to admiring everything they build there. But there isn't any sign of anything at all there is there.

If your beef is with what the Palestinians have failed to build there, you can back your Israeli friends to stay on the West Bank. All they need to do is follow Palestinian laws and pay all the fees, rents and taxes that are due to the Palestinian authorities, and they'll be allowed to stay there for as long as the Palestinian authorities allow them to. And if they want an irrevocable right to stay there, they can take up Palestinian citizenship as well. What's your view on this, other than another snide attempt to dodge the question?

[Fragony]

If your beef is with what the Palestinians have failed to build there, you can back your Israeli friends to stay on the West Bank. All they need to do is follow Palestinian laws and pay all the fees, rents and taxes that are due to the Palestinian authorities, and they'll be allowed to stay there for as long as the Palestinian authorities allow them to. And if they want an irrevocable right to stay there, they can take up Palestinian citizenship as well. What's your view on this, other than another snide attempt to dodge the question?

There is only one question, do they want a state. Any pragmatism would say no, because that state would become a target itself by more radical groups. We have seen the same happining between Fatah and Hamas, and who can really tell it's Hamas firing rockets or a a group that's absolutily not interested in peace like Islamic Jihad, also active there.

Edit, I got no pro-isreali friends or rightwing friens in general by the way. All my friends are either leftist, or absolutily apolitical. Yes that causes conversations. I think they are idiots. Still love them.

[Papewaio]

It alll started in 1948, I am of the 1977 variety. Palestian state, sure why not. i look forward to admiring everything they build there. But there isn't any sign of anything at all there is there.

Modem Israel formed in 1948 but it did not start in 1948. You have to go back decades and the interesting thing is the methods that the founders used to create such a state.

Take a guess who wrote this:
"I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain—especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state. ... If external necessity should after all compel us to assume this burden, let us bear it with tact and patience." -Wiki