Speaking of Israel...

**HoreTore** · 08-10-2014, 20:41

Originally Posted by Fragony

Not going to rip up open wounds, too early for that. I got the pics but not going to be at the wrong side of the argument right now

How on earth is a picture of Jonas Gahr Støre shaking hands with a PLO-leader going to "rip up open wounds"...?

Do you really think it's something that is kept secret...?

**Fragony** · 08-10-2014, 21:33

Originally Posted by HoreTore

How on earth is a picture of Jonas Gahr Støre shaking hands with a PLO-leader going to "rip up open wounds"...?

Do you really think it's something that is kept secret...?

Well these camps on that island where that massacre took place was kinda creepy. And that is all I want to say about it.

**HoreTore** · 08-10-2014, 21:54

Originally Posted by Fragony

Well these camps on that island where that massacre took place was kinda creepy. And that is all I want to say about it.

The Utøya camp won't stop because of what happened in 2011. That would be silly. Things at Utøya are back to normal, with things going on like they always have. Except for a ceremony on the 22nd, nothing has changed.

**Papewaio** · 08-11-2014, 03:58

Originally Posted by HoreTore

The Utøya camp won't stop because of what happened in 2011. That would be silly. Things at Utøya are back to normal, with things going on like they always have. Except for a ceremony on the 22nd, nothing has changed.

Because the best way to deal with terrorism is not to be terrorized and hence stiff upper lip and keep moving forward. Sure put in remembrances and worthwhile security measures. But otherwise pursue happiness and don't let the terrorists dictate your lifestyle.

**Fragony** · 08-11-2014, 06:51

Originally Posted by HoreTore

The Utøya camp won't stop because of what happened in 2011. That would be silly. Things at Utøya are back to normal, with things going on like they always have. Except for a ceremony on the 22nd, nothing has changed.

Was kinda hinting at the group activities here, the people who visited. What happened in 2011 isn't creepy it's horrifying.

Full stop now

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 08-11-2014, 12:41

Originally Posted by Fragony

Well these camps on that island where that massacre took place was kinda creepy. And that is all I want to say about it.

They do look a bit like Soviet "summer camps", but then I spent my summers learning how to kill people with machine guns - which is much more "creepy" in retrospect.

Originally Posted by HoreTore

The Utøya camp won't stop because of what happened in 2011. That would be silly. Things at Utøya are back to normal, with things going on like they always have. Except for a ceremony on the 22nd, nothing has changed.

Personally - I would tear the camp down and leave it fallow for a century - much better than the daft plan to cut a hole in a cliff.

**HoreTore** · 08-11-2014, 17:22

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Because the best way to deal with terrorism is not to be terrorized and hence stiff upper lip and keep moving forward. Sure put in remembrances and worthwhile security measures. But otherwise pursue happiness and don't let the terrorists dictate your lifestyle.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Was kinda hinting at the group activities here, the people who visited. What happened in 2011 isn't creepy it's horrifying.

Full stop now

The group activities are the same now as they were before. As they should be. Political debates, lectures, playtime and invited guests.

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

They do look a bit like Soviet "summer camps", but then I spent my summers learning how to kill people with machine guns - which is much more "creepy" in retrospect.

It's a lot less creepy than you think it is, and that may be because you'v never attended one. Basically it's a week's gathering with the people you work with on a daily basis the rest of the year.

Do not forget that the majority of the attendants are active politicians, several of them elected members of local governments. It's not a random bunch of kids who gets indoctrinated, it's a teambuilding excercise for young professionals.

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Personally - I would tear the camp down and leave it fallow for a century - much better than the daft plan to cut a hole in a cliff.

The hole is actually not on the island, it's on the mainland. Further, it is the express wish of the survivors to continue the camp as normal. It would be a lot dafter to disregard the opinions of the survivors IMO.

**Fragony** · 08-12-2014, 08:35

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

They do look a bit like Soviet "summer camps", but then I spent my summers learning how to kill people with machine guns - which is much more "creepy" in retrospect.

Fair enough I guess.

**Fragony** · 08-14-2014, 06:30

And again the ceasefire is broken by the Palestinians. Just like every other time. A ceasefire is nothing more than just enough time to get more rockets.

**Fragony** · 08-20-2014, 03:08

Originally Posted by Fragony

And again the ceasefire is broken by the Palestinians. Just like every other time. A ceasefire is nothing more than just enough time to get more rockets.

Hey I can make this post again. Once again the need to kill was too strong, ceasefire once again broken by people with culture.