Speaking of Israel...

[Fragony]

And there is that redefinition of boundaries to excuse one side and make one side look bad and the other good. BTW Frag, what do you think Israel will look like if all the leftists, ie. liberals and socialists, moved out of there?

That is a completily valid point of course, but also something that can easily waved for being an distraction of what is really going on. Hamas does not want peace, how many peace-have been broken by now? 10 or so.

[Pannonian]

That is a completily valid point of course, but also something that can easily waved for being an distraction of what is really going on. Hamas does not want peace, how many peace-have been broken by now? 10 or so.

And where's the evidence that Israel wants peace? Neither side wants peace. Both sides are as bad as each other, and if I had my way, anyone who goes anywhere near that region gets disowned by their native country, whether they be Muslim, Jewish, or Martian. But you're the one who keeps excusing Israel.

[Fragony]

And where's the evidence that Israel wants peace?

At least 10 offered cease-fires being broken is kinda an indication on who does what

[Pannonian]

At least 10 offered cease-fires being broken is kinda an indication on who does what

And the landgrab in the West Bank? AFAIK territorial disputes is the most common, and usually considered the most deserving, cause of war in history, with the people whose land is being taken considered to have an automatic right to expel the invader by whatever means possible. What is your opinion of the Israeli settlements in the West Bank? What are the rights of the West Bank Palestinian authorities wrt these settlements in your view?

[Fragony]

And the landgrab in the West Bank? AFAIK territorial disputes is the most common, and usually considered the most deserving, cause of war in history, with the people whose land is being taken considered to have an automatic right to expel the invader by whatever means possible. What is your opinion of the Israeli settlements in the West Bank? What are the rights of the West Bank Palestinian authorities wrt these settlements in your view?

Settlements should stop I'd say but the west bank isn't Gaza. Both are Israeli territory in my opinion but that's just my opinion, was taken in a war they never started.

[HoreTore]

Settlements should stop I'd say but the west bank isn't Gaza. Both are Israeli territory in my opinion but that's just my opinion, was taken in a war they never started.

You are correct that Gaza is not the west bank.

The West Bank has kept at peace with Israel for years.
Gaza has been at war with Israel several times in the last years.

The results?

Tons of settlements in the West Bank.
No settlements in Gaza.


An interesting way of rewarding peace.

[Fragony]

You are correct that Gaza is not the west bank.

The West Bank has kept at peace with Israel for years.
Gaza has been at war with Israel several times in the last years.

The results?

Tons of settlements in the West Bank.
No settlements in Gaza.


An interesting way of rewarding peace.

I know it's unfair. But lets be honest the majority isn't even from there, mostly refugees from the civil war in Libanon. Not building settlements would be a courtisy I would apreciate.

[Kralizec]

Both are Israeli territory in my opinion but that's just my opinion, was taken in a war they never started.

If we were talking about Israel in general that would be debatable. Gaza and the West bank, however, were grabbed in the six-day war which opened with an Israeli first strike.

[Fragony]

If we were talking about Israel in general that would be debatable. Gaza and the West bank, however, were grabbed in the six-day war which opened with an Israeli first strike.

I didn't know that, but it's hard to consider something a first strike when war has been declared.