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    Default Should I go to this political rally, as democrat?

    Backstory...

    We have this party, SvP (Swedish peoples party)...

    I don't agree with them, many of them are nazis, the rest are pretty much just stupid.

    To get that over the way, I don't see myself ever voting on them.

    Now this is the problem.

    This election campaign, when they gave had rallys, thousands of people show up to STOP the rally from happening. It's worth saying again, these thousands of protestors are not there to demonstrate against SvP's beliefs or politics, they are there for keeping the rally from happening.

    As a democrat, I think this is wrong. Just wrong. You know, Voltaire and all that:

    I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.


    I am seriously thinking it's time to man up and actually follow this ideal.

    I guess the people in the rally will be around a hundred people or so, 10.000 people are expected to try to destroy the rally.

    Last time they had a rally, it got to the level of police doing cavalry shocks into the demonstrants, among other things. Yeah, this election period in Sweden much resembles a war zone.

    We're basically just one step up from Ukraine.



    I am a bit torn on this. I dont' support the party, but I support their right to be heard.

    I would never go there to fight, I just want to show that me as a democratic citizen support these guys rights to hold a rally, as stupid as it may be.

    GAH!!

    Thoughts?

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    Default Re: Should I go to this political rally, as democrat?

    I prefer: "The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others."

    So, helping a group of moronic thugs is not indicated any more than you have the moral duty to defend someone calling all black people monkeys on the street. In both cases there is likely harm to others so the SvP should have their "rights" attenuated.

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    Hmmm, I suspect that far, in the depths of your heart, you might... like them a bit...

    But seriously, if Voltaire knew about nazis, he would have been a staunch supporter of executing them en masse.
    Counter-rallies are an excellent tool to limit their fanbase, as all bullies are afraid of violence.
    Not much violence, just a little, to teach them that they are unwelcome.

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    Default Re: Should I go to this political rally, as democrat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post
    Hmmm, I suspect that far, in the depths of your heart, you might... like them a bit...
    Nah. I disagree with more issues than I agree with. Also, the issues I agree with are of less concern to me than the issues I don't agree with.

    So nah. I don't see myself ever voting for them. At all.

    But seriously, if Voltaire knew about nazis, he would have been a staunch supporter of executing them en masse.
    This might be the dumbest sentence uttered in the backroom, like, ever. I could go into detail as to why, but re-think it a couple of times - and you might come up with an answer yourself.

    Or do you mean that he thought as he did, except for political partys he just didn't like...



    Counter-rallies are an excellent tool to limit their fanbase, as all bullies are afraid of violence.
    Not much violence, just a little, to teach them that they are unwelcome.
    If you don't agree with a party, don't vote for them. It's quite simple, really.

    However, to fight against people being HEARD, is another democratical question, completely.
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    Default Re: Should I go to this political rally, as democrat?

    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    I prefer: "The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others."

    So, helping a group of moronic thugs is not indicated any more than you have the moral duty to defend someone calling all black people monkeys on the street. In both cases there is likely harm to others so the SvP should have their "rights" attenuated.

    First of all, this rally is just where I live, so I basically just have to step out of the house I live in.


    Your first quote don't match... It's 10.000 people who want to attack a hundred people having an actual political party. By your logic, I should support it as the 10.000 planes to do harm, or have harm as a consequence of their actions (IE, do nothing while thugs attack, and then let the thugs hide in the masses when police calls them out).

    SvP don't talk about violence to others, like, at all. They just want Sweden to work for the Swedes. In some cases they are a bit extreme for my liking, though. Thus I wont vote for them.

    Also, the police will be there trying to separate the groups. In effect, trying to protect the rally.

    And that is what pisses me off, everyone should be able to have a rally, planned in advance, with open invitations... Without having extremists on the left (as in this case) trying to hurt those being there.

    I don't stand up for the party, I stand up for their right to be able to be heard without being attacked physically.

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    Default Re: Should I go to this political rally, as democrat?

    Fascists, anti-fascists... they deserve each other so I would just leave them to hash it out themselves.

    As long as the authorities allow both the demonstration and counter-demonstration to take place, all is well and all are free.
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    Default Re: Should I go to this political rally, as democrat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Fascists, anti-fascists... they deserve each other so I would just leave them to hash it out themselves.

    As long as the authorities allow both the demonstration and counter-demonstration to take place, all is well and all are free.
    Yeah, that would be the argument I can believe in. As long as the police effectively manage to break them up.

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    Default Re: Should I go to this political rally, as democrat?

    Would you buy them a beer. People who go to political rallies or take whatever political position take theirselves too seriously imho.

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