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Originally Posted by Fragony:
Haha do you actually believe that yourself. The hardcore antifa are recruited at universities, they come from well-off families.
Having spent time with such groups, I don't believe - I know.Haha do you actually believe that yourself. The hardcore antifa are recruited at universities, they come from well-off families.
Freaks, punks and squatters make up the active core. They are more likely to have a history of a dad with active hands than lots of money.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Having spent time with such groups, I don't believe - I know.
Freaks, punks and squatters make up the active core. They are more likely to have a history of a dad with active hands than lots of money.
Freaks punks ans squaters are the active core, agreed. But than the comming of age comes and they become lawyers, or get a job at a NGO. And you know that's true. The extreme left has no problem with having a choice, they just have too much time to be bothering with making one, it's a hobby, pretty soon they will be wearing a tie.Having spent time with such groups, I don't believe - I know.
Freaks, punks and squatters make up the active core. They are more likely to have a history of a dad with active hands than lots of money.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Freaks punks ans squaters are the active core, agreed. But than the comming of age comes and they become lawyers, or get a job at a NGO. And you know that's true. The extreme left has no problem with having a choice, they just have too much time to be bothering with making one, it's a hobby, pretty soon they will be wearing a tie.
Former anarchists have a tendency to get a degree in sociology or similar, yes. Anarachist organizations are already NGO's, and quite a few stick to that field.Freaks punks ans squaters are the active core, agreed. But than the comming of age comes and they become lawyers, or get a job at a NGO. And you know that's true. The extreme left has no problem with having a choice, they just have too much time to be bothering with making one, it's a hobby, pretty soon they will be wearing a tie.
They do not tend to become lawyers.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Former anarchists have a tendency to get a degree in sociology or similar, yes. Anarachist organizations are already NGO's, and quite a few stick to that field.
They do not tend to become lawyers.
The tend to not be anything other than bored rich kids. Radical lefties always come from well-off families.Former anarchists have a tendency to get a degree in sociology or similar, yes. Anarachist organizations are already NGO's, and quite a few stick to that field.
They do not tend to become lawyers.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
The tend to not be anything other than bored rich kids. Radical lefties always come from well-off families.
Patently false, sorry.The tend to not be anything other than bored rich kids. Radical lefties always come from well-off families.
I suggest you read up on the Sex Pistols.
Also, I'm a radical leftie. Where is my well-off family?
The Antifascists over here were actually working class, the rich kids snobbed away at things such as the demonstrations. What happened then is that the fascists used to take pictures of them, attempting to track down their names and addresses and post them on a website called 'Red Watch', then they used to terrorise those people by mailing them dogpoop, egging their houses, encouraging crimes such as destruction of their property, spray painting the houses, and all that fun stuff.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Patently false, sorry.
I suggest you read up on the Sex Pistols.
Also, I'm a radical leftie. Where is my well-off family?
Are you going to mob-rule demonstrations wearing the typical black clothes and arafat-swahls?Patently false, sorry.
I suggest you read up on the Sex Pistols.
Also, I'm a radical leftie. Where is my well-off family?
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Are you going to mob-rule demonstrations wearing the typical black clothes and arafat-swahls?
I have, yes. This is my old party. This is where I used to party.Are you going to mob-rule demonstrations wearing the typical black clothes and arafat-swahls?
My uniform has always been the plaid shirt, however.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
I have, yes. This is my old party. This is where I used to party.
My uniform has always been the plaid shirt, however.
Not the hardcore then.I have, yes. This is my old party. This is where I used to party.
My uniform has always been the plaid shirt, however.
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Antifacists lol
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Not the hardcore then.
Cute http://stopantifa.files.wordpress.co...ric_antifa.jpg
Antifacists lol
If Blitz doesn't qualify, I'm at a loss at figuring out who you're talking about.Not the hardcore then.
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Antifacists lol
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
If Blitz doesn't qualify, I'm at a loss at figuring out who you're talking about.
Well the antifa. Rediculously violent militant leftist activists. Glad you are not one of them. Easily reckognised by their black clothes and yellow flags.If Blitz doesn't qualify, I'm at a loss at figuring out who you're talking about.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Well the antifa. Rediculously violent militant leftist activists. Glad you are not one of them. Easily reckognised by their black clothes and yellow flags.
Antifa (AFA) is based at Blitz. Lovely chaps, mostly composed of freaks and commies(I'm a commie).Well the antifa. Rediculously violent militant leftist activists. Glad you are not one of them. Easily reckognised by their black clothes and yellow flags.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Antifa (AFA) is based at Blitz. Lovely chaps, mostly composed of freaks and commies(I'm a commie).
I know you are a commie that's ok. But these so-called anti-facists aren't interested in any debate. They are exactly what they say they oppose. The police and secret services are a whole lot more interested in them than they are in flagwaving knuckleheads.Antifa (AFA) is based at Blitz. Lovely chaps, mostly composed of freaks and commies(I'm a commie).
Originally Posted by Fragony:
I know you are a commie that's ok. But these so-called anti-facists aren't interested in any debate. They are exactly what they say they oppose. The police and secret services are a whole lot more interested in them than they are in flagwaving knuckleheads.
I've had several debates with them, Frags I know you are a commie that's ok. But these so-called anti-facists aren't interested in any debate. They are exactly what they say they oppose. The police and secret services are a whole lot more interested in them than they are in flagwaving knuckleheads.
...And they are certainly not "100% rich white kids", as you claim.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Not the hardcore then.
Cute http://stopantifa.files.wordpress.co...ric_antifa.jpg
Antifacists lol
Their flag seems oddly reminiscent of the Nazi Party flag. Seriously, who among them decided to make their flag red, white and black with the logo placed in a white circles on a red background? Not the hardcore then.
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Antifacists lol
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
Their flag seems oddly reminiscent of the Nazi Party flag. Seriously, who among them decided to make their flag red, white and black with the logo placed in a white circles on a red background?
Unfortunately, Red-Black are the typical colours of revolutionary, anarchy and all that fun stuff. Sometimes Red and Black diagonal or horizontal.Their flag seems oddly reminiscent of the Nazi Party flag. Seriously, who among them decided to make their flag red, white and black with the logo placed in a white circles on a red background?
Complete similarities are silly, yes.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
I've had several debates with them, Frags
...And they are certainly not "100% rich white kids", as you claim.
Hey, I housed one chez Frag for a few months, good friend. We kinda disagree of courseI've had several debates with them, Frags
...And they are certainly not "100% rich white kids", as you claim.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
Their flag seems oddly reminiscent of the Nazi Party flag. Seriously, who among them decided to make their flag red, white and black with the logo placed in a white circles on a red background?
Anarchism pre-dates nazism by about a century.Their flag seems oddly reminiscent of the Nazi Party flag. Seriously, who among them decided to make their flag red, white and black with the logo placed in a white circles on a red background?
You might want to ask why the Nazis copied the anarchist movement.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Anarchism pre-dates nazism by about a century.
You might want to ask why the Nazis copied the anarchist movement.
I know anarchists historically used the black/red diagonal flag Tiaexz mentioned, but I'm pretty sure the guys in that pic are a post-WWII group so they made a pretty idiotic design choice IMO.Anarchism pre-dates nazism by about a century.
You might want to ask why the Nazis copied the anarchist movement.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
I know anarchists historically used the black/red diagonal flag Tiaexz mentioned, but I'm pretty sure the guys in that pic are a post-WWII group so they made a pretty idiotic design choice IMO.
They use the same type of flag that's been in use for well over a century. I see no reason why the anarchists should change their iconography because of nazism.I know anarchists historically used the black/red diagonal flag Tiaexz mentioned, but I'm pretty sure the guys in that pic are a post-WWII group so they made a pretty idiotic design choice IMO.
It's like asking the French to change their flag if someone did something bad using the colours red, white and blue.
These flags are also used in numbers, and the diagonal line creates an effect you can't confuse with a nazi flag. Further, the antifascist movement started in the 20's, not post-ww2.
Does it matter, they have ties to/sympathise- with goverments that are worse than the nazi's ever were. But ohhhh so self-rightious. Churchill was right.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Does it matter, they have ties to/sympathise- with goverments that are worse than the nazi's ever were. But ohhhh so self-rightious. Churchill was right.
....And who might that be?Does it matter, they have ties to/sympathise- with goverments that are worse than the nazi's ever were. But ohhhh so self-rightious. Churchill was right.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
....And who might that be?
KGB, FARC (direct ties) former RAF, extreme leftists organisations spread all over Europe.....And who might that be?
Originally Posted by Fragony:
KGB, FARC (direct ties) former RAF, extreme leftists organisations spread all over Europe.
As I suspected - this is a mix which doesn't make much sense.KGB, FARC (direct ties) former RAF, extreme leftists organisations spread all over Europe.
A maoist group, for example, won't have ties with the KGB. That's heresy.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
They use the same type of flag that's been in use for well over a century. I see no reason why the anarchists should change their iconography because of nazism.
It's like asking the French to change their flag if someone did something bad using the colours red, white and blue.
These flags are also used in numbers, and the diagonal line creates an effect you can't confuse with a nazi flag. Further, the antifascist movement started in the 20's, not post-ww2.
If this particular flag in the picture was around before Nazism, then fair enough. But if it was made post-WWII (and I suspect it was because it looks pretty modern) then I maintain that it is an idiotic design choice. If Frags hadn't posted that and I seen those guys coming up my street, my first thought would be that they were Nazis.They use the same type of flag that's been in use for well over a century. I see no reason why the anarchists should change their iconography because of nazism.
It's like asking the French to change their flag if someone did something bad using the colours red, white and blue.
These flags are also used in numbers, and the diagonal line creates an effect you can't confuse with a nazi flag. Further, the antifascist movement started in the 20's, not post-ww2.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
If this particular flag in the picture was around before Nazism, then fair enough. But if it was made post-WWII (and I suspect it was because it looks pretty modern) then I maintain that it is an idiotic design choice. If Frags hadn't posted that and I seen those guys coming up my street, my first thought would be that they were Nazis.
The design of the flag predates nazism, yes. The red(socialism) and black(anarchism) theme has been around since anarchists and communists started working together in the 19th century.If this particular flag in the picture was around before Nazism, then fair enough. But if it was made post-WWII (and I suspect it was because it looks pretty modern) then I maintain that it is an idiotic design choice. If Frags hadn't posted that and I seen those guys coming up my street, my first thought would be that they were Nazis.
And if you saw in the streets, you would see alternating red and black colours. I can't see how you would confuse that with nazis.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
The design of the flag predates nazism, yes. The red(socialism) and black(anarchism) theme has been around since anarchists and communists started working together in the 19th century.
And if you saw in the streets, you would see alternating red and black colours. I can't see how you would confuse that with nazis.
That particular flag existed before Nazism? Really? Can you prove this?The design of the flag predates nazism, yes. The red(socialism) and black(anarchism) theme has been around since anarchists and communists started working together in the 19th century.
And if you saw in the streets, you would see alternating red and black colours. I can't see how you would confuse that with nazis.
It is not just colour, it is design. They both have black logos in a white circle centred on a red background. The only difference is they replaced a black swastika with a blag flag.
I'm sure you can see how that could be misinterpreted by the ordinary layman.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
If this particular flag in the picture was around before Nazism, then fair enough. But if it was made post-WWII (and I suspect it was because it looks pretty modern) then I maintain that it is an idiotic design choice. If Frags hadn't posted that and I seen those guys coming up my street, my first thought would be that they were Nazis.
Your first thought wouldn't be that far off. Meet the extreme left.If this particular flag in the picture was around before Nazism, then fair enough. But if it was made post-WWII (and I suspect it was because it looks pretty modern) then I maintain that it is an idiotic design choice. If Frags hadn't posted that and I seen those guys coming up my street, my first thought would be that they were Nazis.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
That particular flag existed before Nazism? Really? Can you prove this?
Knock yourself out.That particular flag existed before Nazism? Really? Can you prove this?
Black and red diagonally, any text and/or logo in white. Standard anarchosyndicalism, been around for a century.
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