Should there be a Hellenistic Polis building in Syrakousai?

[QuintusSertorius]

I'll readily admit that while I like the new culture development mechanics, I don't really understand them at all. Even after reading the building browser. I feel like some of the requirements are missing or there's too much cross-referencing/nested requirements for me to grasp what's needed.

Either way, Syrakousai has no Hellenistic Poleis building in it. In spite of being Greek and having 70% Hellenistic Polities already. Other Greek-founded settlements I've taken (like Massalia and Emporion) have small Poleis buildings, which will no doubt eventually be upgrade-able. But Syrakousai has none.

Is that an error?

[QuintusSertorius]

I think it's a simple omission in the descr_strat.txt - the building was left out. Same goes for Olbia.

[QuintusSertorius]

Here is Emporiton, which has the Minor Hellenistic Poleis next to Independent Region on the top row:



Now here is Syrakousai, the greatest metropolis of Megale Hellas, yet no Hellenistic Poleis building:

[QuintusSertorius]

Some others that may have been overlooked too:

Olbia:



Histria:



Chersonesos:

[joshmahurin]

I believe you are absolutely correct about this. I will look into fixing it internally and for now yeah just add:

building
{
type hinterland_hellenistic_polis polis_three
}

into the entry for Syrakousai in desc_strat.txt and probably give the rest polis_one. The same could be done for Trapezous.
@paullus should probably give a final opinion

[QuintusSertorius]

Thanks for that, I wasn't sure whether anyone had seen this. It's not a "game-breaking bug" or anything, just an omission that can make development difficult for some factions.

I thought polis_three for Syrakousai (since it's huge) and polis_one for all the others sounded right.

I wasn't sure about Trapezous, but it probably should have one too, good catch.

[QuintusSertorius]

Some others that perhaps should also have a polis_one: Lilibeo (where there were definitely Greek populations in western Sicily), Messana (same again), Halikarnassos (there's an "Unknown Building Type" there - is there an error with the Hellenistic Polis?), Rhegion (doesn't appear to have one, it was part of Megale Hellas).

A tentative one - Capua? There were a number of Greek colonies around Campania.

Interestingly, Chersonesos now has one in my game, after the Bosporans took it (though I think they installed that).

[paullus]

Syrakousai should most certainly have one.

[QuintusSertorius]

Syrakousai should most certainly have one.

Excellent. Any thoughts on a polis_one in: Olbia, Chersonesos, Histria, Lilibeo, Messana, Rhegion and Halikarnassos?

[joshmahurin]

Yeah they can be built so areas with only limited Greek populations probably shouldn't automatically have one but for me cities that were founded by Greek colonists and still maintained a Greek identity in the time frame deserve one perhaps. Again this is only my opinions, Paullus is the man who knows

[QuintusSertorius]

Weird, I'm looking at the descr_strat, and Halikarnassos has an entry for a polis_one, but an "unknown building" comes up instead. Or perhaps something has gone wrong with that city in my current game?

[QuintusSertorius]

For anyone who wants to try it in a new game, I've made an updated descr_strat.txt.